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Gears of War 3 Weapon Stats, Sawed Off Range and More

After hearing your feedback, we have reduced the gib range of the Sawed Off Shotgun in Gears of War 3 and it no longer gibs farther than the gnasher, effective today. We want to thank you for your helping us to make Gears of War 3 the best of the series.

Along with your feedback, we are also checking weapon stats to gauge how the weapons are used. Some of the information is surprising and some expected. Here are some of the stats you’ve been asking for.

Most Played Gametypes in Social Matches

Gametypes Social
Most Played Gametypes in Ranked Matches

Gametypes Ranked

 For the rest of the stats, we’ve enlisted Epic Games‘ Senior Gameplay Programmer and avid Gears of War 3 player, Pete Knepley, to help explain them.

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    • Pimpsterpanda22

      I still believe that in CTL the leader should get a moment on invincibility after being rescued by a team mate and making them have to reload whatever gun they are using. i have come to notice that the leaders grenade disappears when capped sometimes even if it is a smoke it will go away if you are holding anything but the grenade.

    • Pimpsterpanda22

      I still believe that in CTL the leader should get a moment on invincibility after being rescued by a team mate and making them have to reload whatever gun they are using. i have come to notice that the leaders grenade disappears when capped sometimes even if it is a smoke it will go away if you are holding anything but the grenade.

    • Ham

      Stop complaining i can kill people fine with any gun theres no problem except the people who cant get kills so they complain how about instead of posting how the guns suck go play a little more online maybe u will get a couple kills… and everyone complaining about the sawed off u r all retards its a gun in the game and if u see somebody charging with it lancer them dont complain about it u let them get close enough to kill u

    • machine

      cant believe they folded cos some pussies couldnt handle the sawed off. it was fine, lethal but usually for the wielder also due to the massive reload time, that’s where the balance is. i reckon the gnasher is better anyway; approach s/o dude, coax him into a bad shot, watch him miss as i wall bounce, then kill the loser while he reloads lol. when i see players on my team with the s/o i’m like shit.. he’ll be dead 20 sec’s into the round. people who bitch and whine cos they aren’t able to have it all their own way piss me off, play private against casual bots if you need to dominate to have fun, personally i like a hard match and the s/o is just one more thing to find a way around.

    • Dani Hazzard

      more power to gnasher, or less for sawed.off

      nothing else. this is the right solution. bye

    • Bluearcbandit

      The way everyone is crying,why not take all the weapons out the game bar the gnasher.Jesus it’s a battlefield you don’t ask the opposition to use the same weapon as you,or maybe ya do:)quit whinging and evolve instead,there is always a counter attack.but no you die and blame the game,try viva piñata instead kids

    • Johndoe_200014

      hey those charts are lies

    • Homura

      I think you should run slower when you have the SO in hand.

      • Homura

         What really gets me is you can down someone with the SO. seriously? It should be straight kill or miss

    • WeeStev0

      Im  sorry but the only people that are going to agree with the SO range reducation are the people running around with the Gnasher. The only way to beat someone with a gnasher if you have a SO is outsmart them by leading them round corners. It has NO range compared to the Gnasher, plus you cant reload 8 shells in split seconds which is bull. If you fuck up with the SO. your dead.. its a tactical weapon, unlike the gun-hoe Gnasher

    • stoke1ad

      gears 2 is better cus it was all about skill gears 3 is all about spraying

    • Illwittdeez

      the SOS was the only gun that needed to be tweaked in my opinion kudos to Epic for actually listening to the higher percentage of it’s games players

    • Liljafari

      I think hammerburst and lancer takes away what makes gears original. Shotgun battles is whats makes online fun. Lancer noobs should stick to cod…sawed off was a pipe dream that became a real nightmare and madr alot of people lose intrest…simply no skill…just luck and camping

    • Liljafari

      I think hammerburst and lancer takes away what makes gears original. Shotgun battles is whats makes online fun. Lancer noobs should stick to cod…sawed off was a pipe dream that became a real nightmare and madr alot of people lose intrest…simply no skill…just luck and camping

    • Tastic

      All the weapons are fine in theory but it is how they are used that fucks the game play up. For example, my biggest problem with gears 3 is the fact that shit players, and I mean shit, can get the edge on you sometimes. My favourite game mode is KOTH and im fed up of being corner camped by shit players with a sawed off… how is it fair? Ive played Gears since day 1 and have always been fond of how the weapons worked, until now. I use only the Lancer / Gnasher, why? Because these give the best gameplay in terms of how they are used.

      It might just be me going old school but I really do feel like something has to be done. Its not just the sawed off, the Retro is over powered too. Its over powered in the same way as the Sawed off, it just gets sprayed at close quarters till the down occurs. These are really my only issues, weapons that promote camping. The more a weapon promotes camping, such as the sawed off and retro lancer, the more people will get pissed off with the game. 

      I understand that its not always like this, my examples were given for KOTH, but im sure it stills happens at least a few times every game on other game modes. Ive encountered it many a time on Execution where the last guy is camping behind a corner with a sawed off and the player with the Gnasher is basically screwed.

      This is just my opinion, nothing will come from this im guessing, ill probably get people hating on me for my opinion, but as a player from day1, I know how Gears should be played.

    • Mark

      shit weapon defended by shittier ppl

    • narniagearslover

      if you can’t beat someone with a gnasher when your opponent has a sawed off, you’re a noob

    • Tyreek1338

      Sawed off users cant take into account that Epic listened to us and stayed true to their die hard old school fans. Its all about community.
      Did they remove the SOS from the game? No
      Can you still get alot of kills with the SOS if your good with it now? Yes
      I dont see how this affected the newer players, it only gives them more of a challenge to get a kill, then before where you really didnt have to aim the gun at the persons body but the area.
      Now it takes a bit skill to use the SOS like the Gnasher.

    • Mark Dav1s

      I think its great to see they have listened to their audience and made the relevant changes to the SOS, the only other thing that I would like to see changed is adding more rounds to Execution, back to 5 rounds please Epic, I do not mind playing TDM but Gears of War just isnt the same without a longer Execution game type.

    • Mark Dav1s

      I think its great to see they have listened to their audience and made the relevant changes to the SOS, the only other thing that I would like to see changed is adding more rounds to Execution, back to 5 rounds please Epic, I do not mind playing TDM but Gears of War just isnt the same without a longer Execution game type.

    • d3ssy

      I enjoy watching these discussions unfold, particularly during in-game banter. I think that the simple fact there is a huge discussion over the sawed-off is a great indication that it was an absolutely brilliant addition to an epic (and EPIC) game series. The same goes for the other modifications to the game which, in my opinion, have resulted in an incredible piece of game design. Of course, as is the case in every game, there are further tweaks, balancing tricks and updates to be made (any game can always be better) based on empirical gameplay evidence collected by the developers and used to make decisions for further improvements. 

      However, there are maybe 2 possibly 3 valid comments out of the 338 posted here below. The majority are just plain silly critiques with no basis whatsoever, probably made by gears of war 2 fanboys that, instead of welcoming a wonderfully fresh, different but coherent chapter to the series, they would rather just have Gears 2 all over again with some new characters and improved textures.

      The sawed-off shotgun is an incredible addition to the game, as are the other weapons. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of people that were used to owning the field with the good old gnasher (and still do!) with next to no opposition. The sawed-off has added an incredible new dynamic to the game that manages to balance the gnasher perfectly and creates an overall set of interactions on the battle field that were just not available in previous chapters of the game. 

      I personally use all the weapons based on various factors such as who my teamates are, what map i’m playing on, the game mode, and most importantly, how my enemies are playing. I am partial to the sawed-off as I think it offers some amazing tactical possibilities and I disagree with the “noob weapon” label that it has been given. True, a noob player can easily get a kill by standing round a corner waiting on someone to walk by, but it’s very unlikely that a noob will have the skill to get 4 kills out of a sawed-off and stay alive. Killing, evading, reloading and killing again is no easy task and one that even Sun Tzu would approve of!

      Furthermore, I have found the sawed-off to be a perfect trainer for the gnasher. After using it for extended periods of time I found that my close-quarters gnasher skills, particularly hip-firing, were greatly improved, not to mention my evasive skills.

      Save the few teething problems to do with delicate equilibriums between weapon capabilities, I think EPIC has done an incredible job and should stick to the plan! Removing the sawed off, changing the hammerburst back to what it was, etc. would all be terribly unforgiveable mistakes from any developer’s point of view.

      Catch you on the field!

    • Spider Spud

      What do u mean gib range? Think people on this page need to chill out like, no need to be calling anyone regards or other shit like tht, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Anyway, gib range?

      • Gnasher Artisan

        The range in which you blow someone to pieces, google it lol

    • ethan

      yeah <,<…. sometimes i feel like useing a lancer,  sometimes i'll go hammerburst, sometimes i'll go retro, same with gnasher and sawed-off… funny thing about it is, whichever weapon i'm feeling that day, i'll get amazing number of kills with it O.o…   i dont really think i get more with one weapon than with another…   all five are good n a bit of knowledge about where the enemy team is/could be is helpful to not getting insta-downed by them too =p.  

      other words, watch ya corners to avoid sawed-offs, specially in da gridlock tower O_O!!! those little kids run right up there n hide in smokes near da snipe on da corner <_<.   they sometimes still get me too =(.  lol…

      gnasher… well remember ya wall bouncin ummm skillz? from gears 2 :P  this is where they carry over,  dont wall bounce into someone with a sawed-off though, u take ur own chances then =P.  (tip, the casual hard aim on the saw-off kids tends to make em panick :O!!!!)

      lancer…   lol…   dont let yaself get caught out in areas without a withdraw strategy when things go to shit n ur gettin shot by this gun… or any gun for that matta, be ready to wall bounce da fuck out :O! lol..   remember da clip neva stops firin =). 

      hammerburst,  watch out for its "insta-down" ability <_<…. same with retro.  ya pickin up this weapon n someone will down yoself from accross the map rather its modd'ed or not, it still puts out enough damage..  again, knowing that there is/could be a umm bad guy =P  standing patiently waiting for you to pick up a weapon or get to just the right area where u cant run away…   so dont give em the opportunity =P

      always assume theres a guy stalking you unless you know where everyone's at n other words =). 

       otherwise, only problems u should have is an entire enemy team (yes all 5 of them) that runs directly to one power weapon on map and then they just sit there….. and wait…… the entire game….  and fiveway rifle down anyone who gets close =(! lol…   yes these bastards do exist, yes they think there pro and yes they have like 30.0+ win/loss and 10.0+ k/drs…   now i'm pretty good, but i dont just sit n camp with 4 other guys :P  n all i can average across ma game types is like a 4 k/d :(! n like a 3ish on w/l lol…  

    • Stevendmarley

      wtf the saw of could only kill at close range if anything that dam gnasher needs its ranged redeuced

    • Stevendmarley

      gnasher range needs nerfed

    • Stevendmarley

      gnasher range needs nerfed

    • Ryan E

      just leave the game how it is els you will fuck it up like gears 2!!

    • jesse15

      I think it is wonderful that they have changed it. Great job epic.

    • Mpjrew

      Why oh why do people moan and complain when they get there asses handed to them on any game not just gears of war there will always be someone better or luckier than you shit happens get over it or dont play its a game at the end of the day ya havnt really died 15 times no game will ever be perfect for every player i myself get my ass handed to me on a regular basis do i cry do i moan or complain no i get god damn frustrated thats for sure but i want to play more to get better!!!!

    • Mpjrew

      Why oh why do people moan and complain when they get there asses handed to them on any game not just gears of war there will always be someone better or luckier than you shit happens get over it or dont play its a game at the end of the day ya havnt really died 15 times no game will ever be perfect for every player i myself get my ass handed to me on a regular basis do i cry do i moan or complain no i get god damn frustrated thats for sure but i want to play more to get better!!!!

    • xTMHx Clutch

      To all SOS user cry less and like everyone says adapt or die nuff said

    • Domreborn

      what you guys did is so wrong. caving in because of whiny gnasher-users. now it’s all about playing with one gun again. so wrong

    • Domreborn

      what you guys did is so wrong. caving in because of whiny gnasher-users. now it’s all about playing with one gun again. so wrong

    • Domreborn

      what you guys did is so wrong. caving in because of whiny gnasher-users. now it’s all about playing with one gun again. so wrong

    • Domreborn

      if there’s one thing that needs fixing it’s how ridiculously accurate the gnasher is in mid-range combat.

    • Ratykat

      Tired of people whining. Every job has a tool, and everyone has different strengths and weaknesses with the tools. So you’re picking the gnasher as its “the right weapon” even if you find it harder to get kills with it? That’s like saying “I’m going to enter the f1 in a f3 car because its harder” the sawn off was fine as it was, its a tool for killing. Learn its strength and weaknesses and get on with it!

    • Krisso93

      the sawed off will not be changed or patched, even how much people are complaining. it’s a new game with new weapons.
      i don’t like the sawed off and i thinks it’s gay, so im using gnasher instead.
      a good advice is retro lancer. it’s good in close-quaters battles cause it has high damage and owns the sawed off. just try to find other ways too get away from the sawed oof shot.

    • Koschild

      The balance changes keep the game interesting, I enjoyed the game a whole new way in the G.O.W 2 title updates, my only problem is the Gorgon need its power back or just increase the rate of fire.

    • Miguel2741

      You should definitely make the lancer with less bullets ppl shoot it for days and lower the damage of the hammerburst and retro that’s all ppl do now.I miss the one on one fights with the shotgun

    • Miguel2741

      You should definitely make the lancer with less bullets ppl shoot it for days and lower the damage of the hammerburst and retro that’s all ppl do now.I miss the one on one fights with the shotgun

    • Patgalbraith

      I completely agree with Geodice, leave the weapons alone it is not the first gears and Im sick of newbies to the game complaining

    • Anonymous

      I run for the boomshot nuff said

    • James Cassidy.

      From what everyone is saying here, it’s not the game that everyone hates, but the players who play it. I find it funny how some of you say the tactic is cheap yet use the same tactic yourselves when I play online. The same people, there in fact, shoot themselves in the foot. It’s not that hard to overcome the sawed-off with a little thinking. Yeah I can’t beat it all the time, but again, hate the player not the game.

      I don’t care what anyone says about the sawed-off or gnasher or the lancer. I play like any real player. I don’t camp, unless I am guarding the leader. I go into every battle head on and use all weapons to my skill. I could easily be outmatched if I am out in the open, but some of you I take out easily. The only thing I agree is that maybe the sawed-off range is a bit too far, but they fixed that so no more complaining.

      This is why I hate playing multiplayer. Instead of playing for fun all gamers think about is competition and if you lose ONE battle or die ONE time in a match, you complain you were cheated. I haven’t played a fun multiplayer game since Halo 3. I can only have fun playing with my friends now. So thank you players. You ruined COD, you ruined Halo, now you ruined Gears. What other multiplayer game are you all going to ruin?

      • Scott1326

        They want to ruin Battlefield too.

    • Kingfouie

      People who use sawed off have no skills, they just wanna get easy kills they don’t know how to use a real weapon fucking pussy ya all fucking scrubs

    • King GoldGlove

      the people that ccomplained are the sort off people that are thick as shit and still clamped to there mums tit ,no brain and cry because they are fucking losing.FAGGOTS and so is Pete Knepley

    • Firemedicdoyle1

      Turned this game from a gnasher dominated game into a lancer game! HATE being downed rime and time again from
      A lancer across the screen! Way 2 powerful! And u shouldn’t have touched the sawed off. If ur not good enough to handle them u shouldn’t b playing! Fuck the lancers, fuck them in there asses!!!!!!

    • Firemedicdoyle1

      Turned this game from a gnasher dominated game into a lancer game! HATE being downed rime and time again from
      A lancer across the screen! Way 2 powerful! And u shouldn’t have touched the sawed off. If ur not good enough to handle them u shouldn’t b playing! Fuck the lancers, fuck them in there asses!!!!!!

    • dan

        Looks like no more multiplayer for me starting to nerf guns that arent even good to begin with to enforce people onto the gnasher. Oh well Ill finish up my achievements and ship the game off for trade in value…

    • A_gum93

      The sawd off was necessary to adjust. Everything is perfect. Please don’t change anything.

    • A_gum93

      The sawd off was necessary to adjust. Everything is perfect. Please don’t change anything.

    • http://www.facebook.com/aidan.terry Aidan Terry

      Looks like the stats show the gnasher beats the sawed off in every stat. stfu stop complaining pansies.

    • Anonymous

      As much of a Gearhead as I am, I have to say that I do have a life outside of Gears and I think that some of you are just mad that you were not able to keep abusing some of this newer gear kids. If you got that close, then you got what you asked for. So why keep crying about the kid with the SO that got you 4 times when you are still getting him 35. Everyone paid their $60 to have fun on the multiplayer. I have friends that have been turned-off by the franchise just because they feel that they got in to late and they dont have a chance against the few of you who reached level 100 during the first week.
      I’m ok with Epic fixing anything that is exesive, but let’s not make this something that we have to go through every couple of months.

    • Quinn

      I hear what people are saying here gears is all about playing aggressively – hitting shooting and kicking the guts out of things, multi – tasking different weapons and dodging bullets like a champ. I am glad however they’re doing this because those of us who like to play aggressively with the gnasher have the pace slowed down considerably luring out the sawed offs that can so effortlessly dispatch the best of players. I know there are plenty of ways of taking down a sawed off, but in the hands of skilled players it can make using the gnasher to ‘one shot’ – one of the most defining aspects of the gears of war franchise, unfeasible.

    • Quinn

      I hear what people are saying here gears is all about playing aggressively – hitting shooting and kicking the guts out of things, multi – tasking different weapons and dodging bullets like a champ. I am glad however they’re doing this because those of us who like to play aggressively with the gnasher have the pace slowed down considerably luring out the sawed offs that can so effortlessly dispatch the best of players. I know there are plenty of ways of taking down a sawed off, but in the hands of skilled players it can make using the gnasher to ‘one shot’ – one of the most defining aspects of the gears of war franchise, unfeasible.

    • Restevez145

      Well if you want us to kill more with the Gnasher take off the Sawed off.. cus im not getting close to them Fuckers!!!

    • Restevez145

      Well if you want us to kill more with the Gnasher take off the Sawed off.. cus im not getting close to them Fuckers!!!

    • Restevez145

      Well if you want us to kill more with the Gnasher take off the Sawed off.. cus im not getting close to them Fuckers!!!

    • GENOCIDE ZOMBIE

      OK,so now I just have to get closer to kill with a sawed-0ff? Sounds reasonable since I only used it at point blank anyway.

    • GENOCIDE ZOMBIE

      OK,so now I just have to get closer to kill with a sawed-0ff? Sounds reasonable since I only used it at point blank anyway.

    • GENOCIDE ZOMBIE

      OK,so now I just have to get closer to kill with a sawed-0ff? Sounds reasonable since I only used it at point blank anyway.

    • Dmadden613

      i Shit on the sawed off with my gnasher so what u all tlking about, just work on your movement its very easy to out play a sawed off player considering they miss once they’re getting bodied

    • Dmadden613

      i Shit on the sawed off with my gnasher so what u all tlking about, just work on your movement its very easy to out play a sawed off player considering they miss once they’re getting bodied

    • http://www.unscripted360.com Deacon

      i never thought there was anything wrong with the Sawed Off .. but then i don’t use it all that often .. only in heated moments and close range moments .. but oh well .. way to please those who can’t use it properly i guess.

    • BM3 LiLxEvIL

      sos is not underpowered now its where it should be…if ya die because u missed learn to evade simple as that.

    • FrustratedGOWfan

      LOL I love how he says step your game up in Ranked matches with the gnasher when obvioulsy try-hards are gunna use the easiest weapons to get kills, via the Lancer since it can shoot for 8 full seconds before you need to reload it… Bring back the Annex gametype btw KOTH is dumb in the fact that one person can jump in the hill and break it even if all 5 of the other team is in the hill… So reward the one guy and punish the other 5 for staying in the hill when that is the objective of the gametype is to control the hill… And what were the percentages of GOW2 ppl that played KOTH vrs. ANNEX I know from my experiences way more ppl played Annex over KOTH but w/e Epic will lose so many more ppl in this Gears community when Battlefield3 and MOW3 comes out cuz they will lose the SO and Retro Scrubs… (casual gamers) and they are also losing their dedicated hardcore Gears gamers who have played all the time dating back to GOW1 becuz they are more worried about the $$$$ than pleasing their most hardcore fans… Put in a new playlist where there is no SO and no Retro and call it OLDSCHOOL playlist. Then people will be more happy they can play the playlist without the SO and Retro, or play the one with those OP noob weapons. Honestly and why are the Servers down all the time Epic? Do you need to save electricity or what?!?
      That is all, From a frustrated Hardcore Gears fan…

    • FrustratedGOWfan

      LOL I love how he says step your game up in Ranked matches with the gnasher when obvioulsy try-hards are gunna use the easiest weapons to get kills, via the Lancer since it can shoot for 8 full seconds before you need to reload it… Bring back the Annex gametype btw KOTH is dumb in the fact that one person can jump in the hill and break it even if all 5 of the other team is in the hill… So reward the one guy and punish the other 5 for staying in the hill when that is the objective of the gametype is to control the hill… And what were the percentages of GOW2 ppl that played KOTH vrs. ANNEX I know from my experiences way more ppl played Annex over KOTH but w/e Epic will lose so many more ppl in this Gears community when Battlefield3 and MOW3 comes out cuz they will lose the SO and Retro Scrubs… (casual gamers) and they are also losing their dedicated hardcore Gears gamers who have played all the time dating back to GOW1 becuz they are more worried about the $$$$ than pleasing their most hardcore fans… Put in a new playlist where there is no SO and no Retro and call it OLDSCHOOL playlist. Then people will be more happy they can play the playlist without the SO and Retro, or play the one with those OP noob weapons. Honestly and why are the Servers down all the time Epic? Do you need to save electricity or what?!?
      That is all, From a frustrated Hardcore Gears fan…

    • Ben Paul Bray

      what does gib mean?

      • http://www.webmentor.cr/ Marco Berrocal

        I want to know this too!!! Damnit!!! :p

    • Rodriguez805

      guy need to lower the damage on the retro and on the lancer its to powerful the sawd off was fine how it was before……..

    • http://www.webmentor.cr/ Marco Berrocal

      This may be a dumb question but what is GIB range? Is it t he damage that DBS makes or the actual range?

      • Anonymous

        To Gib someone is to blow apart their body, the way the Gnasher and SOS do at close range, and the boomshot and Mulcher do at longer range

    • http://www.webmentor.cr/ Marco Berrocal

      This may be a dumb question but what is GIB range? Is it t he damage that DBS makes or the actual range?

    • DrDarkheart

      I’ve been wondering are you guys going to be tweaking mantle kicks at all? It always feels like I’ll jump over cover right on top of someone and just end up standing there like and idiot while the guy who kills me is literally touching me and he didn’t have to move.

    • DrDarkheart

      I’ve been wondering are you guys going to be tweaking mantle kicks at all? It always feels like I’ll jump over cover right on top of someone and just end up standing there like and idiot while the guy who kills me is literally touching me and he didn’t have to move.

    • Holy ShooT7er

      YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 

    • El_Changazo

      Two words – “Active Reload”.  I’m glad there will be a few changes made to the sawed-off, but I don’t think it is completely overpowered.  The fact that you can keep 2-3 active reload shots in a gnasher more than compensates for the power of the sawed-off.  I think most of the complaints probably came from people who were used to only using the gnasher in GOW2. You gotta adapt people – don’t run right into the shotgun battle because the sawed off ends them QUICK.  I still prefer the gnasher, but I like the addition of the sawed off to the game.  It adds a new element.  It makes you think more strategically and keeps Gears from turning into a straight up gnasher-fest.

    • El_Changazo

      Two words – “Active Reload”.  I’m glad there will be a few changes made to the sawed-off, but I don’t think it is completely overpowered.  The fact that you can keep 2-3 active reload shots in a gnasher more than compensates for the power of the sawed-off.  I think most of the complaints probably came from people who were used to only using the gnasher in GOW2. You gotta adapt people – don’t run right into the shotgun battle because the sawed off ends them QUICK.  I still prefer the gnasher, but I like the addition of the sawed off to the game.  It adds a new element.  It makes you think more strategically and keeps Gears from turning into a straight up gnasher-fest.

    • Priest

      And the bitching begins. Thank you Epic, I’ve been waiting soooo long to hear you say this. I’m glad you guys are able to recognize who the loyal players here were. Those of you who throw hissyfits about how balanced it was, and how skillful the sawed off was. Epic didn’t make this game for you, they made this game for the people who’ve been loyal to this game for 5 years now. Be happy they are willing to change parts of this game so your fair weather fight or flight mentalities can survive in here. Gears of War 1 and 2 was where the Spirit of this game was born. And I would hate to see it die with Gears of War 3 because the population is polluted with skill-less trash and filth from the other shooter genres. Stop trying to make this game into your favorite game, and let this game be our favorite game. Our word > Yours. We’ve been here longer, we made this game what it is through as much of our blood sweat and tears as Epic has. Without Epic, We are nothing. Without us, Epic is nothing. That mutual respect we have for them, and them for their community is what makes Gears of War one of the Greatest games of all time. 

      Now that my rant is complete, Thanks again Epic.

    • Andyroe661

      how about making a classic gears playlist yanno like no sawed-off and retro lancers…

    • Ahmed Hozayen

      It’s good to know the stats from time to time.

    • http://twitter.com/EvilMrJingles Evil MrJingles

      A lot of these whiners need to practice and get better at the game and stop complaining about every little thing, that or they can just go back and play with their wii.

    • http://twitter.com/EvilMrJingles Evil MrJingles

      A lot of these whiners need to practice and get better at the game and stop complaining about every little thing, that or they can just go back and play with their wii.

    • Anthony Strickland

      Wait less than 1 out of every 5 people use the sos? Only 12% of kills are with the sos and 22% with the gnasher? Why are people so upset about the sos? It seems like the people that are complaining are the sad 12% of people who die to it…

    • Anthony Strickland

      Wait less than 1 out of every 5 people use the sos? Only 12% of kills are with the sos and 22% with the gnasher? Why are people so upset about the sos? It seems like the people that are complaining are the sad 12% of people who die to it…

    • Imakedeadthingsdeader

      I honestly just use the SO for what it was made for, a counter. Imagine you’re being chased by someone with a gnasher. You round a corner and switch to your SO, turn around, and pull the trigger, no aim required. It’s basically a weapon you use for when the opponent has the upper hand in close combat scenarios and everything is decided by reflexes. The opponent has a gun pointed at your back, there’s no time for you to turn around and aim, therefore you use a gun that just requires you to aim in the opponents general direction. People that run around the map wielding it like a fucking rifle are the ones unbalancing the game, not the gun itself. Although I haven’t experienced the massive gib range people claim it has since I use the gun for only EXTREMELY up close confrontation, I imagine it needed to be fixed. Either way, don’t complain about the gun, complain about the person using it like a retard.

    • Sifter456

      Fuck the lancer and all the rifles you start with gears 1 was the best because 95% of people used the gnasher and were good with it, now you go to have a shotgun duel your getting lancer’d by the noob who just got the game and never played gears 1 and 2 i really am dissapointed how epic crys about the gnasher when it takes the most skill to use, get real.

      • Anonymous

        spoken by someone who actually plays gears

      • Anonymous

        spoken by someone who actually plays gears

      • Georgegba

        thank you, i thought that everybody here was retarded

      • Georgegba

        thank you, i thought that everybody here was retarded

    • Sifter456

      Fuck the lancer and all the rifles you start with gears 1 was the best because 95% of people used the gnasher and were good with it, now you go to have a shotgun duel your getting lancer’d by the noob who just got the game and never played gears 1 and 2 i really am dissapointed how epic crys about the gnasher when it takes the most skill to use, get real.

    • Fallenangemon0

      Nothing but Gnasher and people STILL want it removed. Wow.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XPQ4D7K67N24ZJEWBJIMGLBFAI Alejandro

      I just want a melee bash for normal lancer

      • Tass 46

        100% agree.. me too.

    • Mastapk9

      The only weapon in need of being nurfed is the sawed off. It has too much range, reduce the sawed off range to ACTUAL melee range (like it is described to be) and maybe it will be fair. The sawed off currently has a much longer 1 hit kill range than the gnasher….tell me when that makes sense…

    • http://twitter.com/XxRGMKINGxX Rene Mendoza

      (Don’t care for grammar at the moment.) This is a thought but if you guys want to troll then I guess that’s cool too. Anyways… Maybe they should have a preferences setting to have people play this way or that way? Like for me, I hate the Sawed Off so what I would do is go to my preferences and select something like, players with those who use Gnasher Shotgun. That’s not the only options they should have tho. They should also include: Mic or no Mic, Assault Player (You can specify or put all), Shotgun Player (Like I said before), Team Player (Those who play as a team), Lone Wolf (Alone), Kill Burglar (Steal kills), Fairness (Don’t steal kills on purpose unless told otherwise). You get what I’m sayin? I’m sure there are plenty more but that’s some.

    • Tass 46

      To charge a blazing rifle weapon with any shotgun should be suicide. Sadly it’s not in gears 3… please add a little reality to the Versus games in this regard… thanks,
      Tass46… and yes I’m 46 so thinking in a game outweighs fast fingers in my opinion. Lets teach our kids that a quick trigger pull isn’t better than a well thought attack plan. Possibly a game mode for us non halo playing geezers out there?  :)

    • http://twitter.com/XxRGMKINGxX Rene Mendoza

      Disregard this post.

    • Nick

      Please do not tweak any more of the guns just tweak the respawns since i get shot before moving probably about 75% of the time when i come back to life in team deathmatch, possibly more than two spawn points would be helpful so it’s not so easy for the other team to know right where you are going to be

    • Jenky

      Gears of War 3 was already excellent. The shortening of the Sawed Off makes it even better and should please those fans who complained daily. The game is Perfect!!! Thanks so much for the stats and for the update. I’m a fan for life.

    • Steven

      Really don’t like how the majority of players I come across STILL play with a Gnasher>Every other gun philosophy. You would think after 2 games with Gnasher-dominance, a beta, adding a new rifle (and shotgun) along with increasing the power each, and having additional ongoing tweaks that players would realize you can press RIGHT (or possibly left) on the D-Pad and use a different weapon.

      Those same people who have nothing better to do but whine and bitch about the SO and how ”broken” it is more likely than not have the mindset I described above.

      Gears 3 is NOTHING like Gears 2 (or Gears 1, if you don’t count the movement speed.) Epic NEVER wanted Gears to be all about Gnasher²Gnasher CQC. 

      Do you even know Epic’s main reason for adding the SO and Retro in the first place? To hopefully PREVENT the game’s MP from ending up like the Gnasher-fest that ruined the MP for basically anyone who hasn’t played Gears 1 or 2 since they came out. Which, by the look of the weapon stats, is doing a fairly decent job.

      So hats off to you, Epic. Gears 3 is definitely the result of all the hard-work and late nights you’ve had. It is by far the most well-developed Tactical 3rd Person Shooter you’ve had since 11/07/06.

      • Anonymous

        this game is built on gnasher you idiot

        • Steven

          No, it isn’t. If that’s the case, why is their rifles in the game? Or grenades? or power weapons? Or a fucking SILVERBACK?
           
          The Gears of War series is a TACTICAL 3rd person shooter. Do you even know what Tactical means? Here’s a definition for you:
           
          http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tactical
           
          Fast foward to Gears 3, where rifles actually have purpose now, and tell me again that “this game is built on gnasher” when your getting killed constantly from distances were the Gnasher is obsolete. Usually by RIFLES and POWER WEAPONS on maps like Sandbar and Overpass. With the other team using tactics that don’t always involve the Gnasher. 
           
          Your going to die, you’ll rage quit because yourr playing this game like it’s Gears 2, and your K/D (if it isn’t bad enough already) is going to show for it. You probably play with stacked teams sense you can’t survive without someone reviving your sorry ass.
           
          Quit thinking Gears 3 is like the other 2, and play it with a sense of TEAMWORK and the use of TACTICS like it was intended. Not every kill you attempt to make has to be Gnasher.
           
          Scrub.

          • Anonymous

            im talking about the primary weapons you stupid fuck. and the silverback isnt in multiplayer. and i can lead a team by myself that i do most of the time. i use the gnasher and have a k/d of 2 for each gametype because i actually play the game the way its intended. you want to use the assault rifles? fine go play the campaign and horde or COD for all i care. kids like you that use the assault rifle in multiplayer ruin what this game use to be.

            how do i know ur the average faggot that ruins every game that has ever come out? you use words like scrub to insult someone. do you even know what Scrub means? here’s a definition for you http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scrub

            do everyone whos ever been a gears fan and break ur gears 3 copy. and regardless, this game is still built on the gnasher (as a primary). Dont even try to tell me about this game. i actually played the games to every last detail. i beat gears 1 on insane and played multiplayer extensively. I beat gears 2 on insane and played the multiplayer extensively. I beat gears 3 on insane. Im part of the 1% that have done it that more than likely doesnt include you because again, ur one of the faggots that have no idea whats going on in a game and go straight to multiplayer. Don’t believe me? check my gt you stupid ass mother fucker

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UGKGLEVXY242JH5GBTYOMCGPBU gdsmkfn

      NOT
      happy with the changes on the sawed off cause now it doesn’t even shoot
      like a real sawed off shot gun! A can of mace would be more effective
      in the game than that piece of crap!!!!!! If you keep it the way it is
      at least bring back the hard aim bracket that was seen in the Beta!!!!
      But now the Gnasher is back to shooting like Gears 2! This game turned
      out to be really shitty and where is the Dedicated
      Servers you promised us???? I do not see them in standard horde and I
      am SICK AND TIRED OF THE QUITTERS!!!!! They should get a penalty for
      quitting early!!!! And not to mention that I played Big head horde mode
      all weekend during your event and never got the credit for the medal for
      playing in a Gears Event!!!!! EPIC YOUR SUCH A
      JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Reading Kills

      hmmm i wonder y people reduced sawn off gib range o i no because they where mad that new players could give them a scare at close range come on guys rly stop being babies and roll away and shoot them instead of rambooing with ure gnasher and getting mad when they stop u in your tracks

    • R Jose1

      people wanted more variety so Epic came out with the saw off. Now people who suck to much to counter it are all bitching. STFU and get some fucking skills

    • Anonymous

      you know what getting blasted by a any shotgun is getting blasted by a shotgun okay. Epic should just make a play list where all the gnashed love just get that weapon and everyone else can play the game as is perfect ok.

    • Georgegba

      i think the bigger problem is the lack of skill this game takes now. the assualt rifles have a  bigger clip, along with more power. Not to mention the fact that you get stunned and cant escape when being shot.

      The great thing that was always good about the gears series was that you cant just pick up the game and destroy everybody, the 10 year old cod kid that picks up the retro lancer and hip fires and 3 shot downs you is against everything they have built up this far.

       

      • Scott1326

        I agree 100% this game used to take so much practice and skill to be good at compared to other games.
        My First game of Gears 1 I got, 3 Kills in like 30 Rounds.
        Call of duty 4 I went 20-1 my first game

    • xIncubusLeox

      I just want Execution and Warzone to go back to best 5 out of 9 to win.

    • Anonymous

      this game has always been different from the rest out there. it used shotgun as an important factor instead of assault rifles. whats more fun? having someone being blown to bits by your shotgun? or by someone falling over by ur assault rifle? Why wouldnt you keep this game great and different from the rest and keep the shotgun the dominant weapon? i would still love this game (actually like it more) if there were no assault rifles. Shotguns make this game, NOT ASSAULT RIFLES! this isnt Call of Duty and lets keep it that way Dammit!

    • Hellzalongfll

      I couldn’t care less about the gib range, it’s the fact that you can be inaccurate as hell and still be rewarded.

    • Robert

      why is the alternate controls so hard to use it would be alot easier if the running and rolling button had staid the A button and the cling to the wall button was X.it is very hard to run using X.

    • Moleznezz

      All of the gnasher users bitch about the sawed-off cause they try to dodge it like it’s a gnasher in gears 2 (rolling sideways), they don’t realise that if you just roll back as they fire you go outside their range and it practically does no damage at all.

      • Scott1326

        Its Still quite effective actually, there have been times where the sawed-off has been the farthest distance away to get an insta-kill I’ve dove backwards and its still killed me. a way to beat the sawed-off is take the farthest route possible to their position (meaning dont go straight around the corner go around so u can get 3 shots off and down them).

    • tacticalhorize

      I’m tired of every little itch whining and complaining about the SO if you don’t have the skill to kill someone using it then stop playing.I use both the SO and the Gnasher.they are both good guns so grow up!!!

    • Laust007

      Please leave the Lancers the way they are. It adds a new level of tactics to the game then just hip shot gnasher fest.  If people really want all gnasher why not just make a new mode where it’s JUST gnashers.

    • Xconstitutional

      I thought the Sawed off was fine as it was. It made getting kills on idiots fun and it was a real game changer if you weren’t paying attention. I think people are just getting pissy because the sawed-off was better then the gnasher in small circumstances. Hope this nerf is the last.

    • Blingle17

      Geodice, people can express their feelings as i am about to. The sawed off shotgun needs to go.. that gun is ruining gears 3. as a gears player from 1-3 i dislike that fact that it is better than the original shotgun the gnasher. 9 time out of 10 people i know will rage quit from a match due to kids using the sawed off shotgun. Epic please get that gun out of the game. it ruins the online experience for old gears players

    • Lowman21

      I cant believe it. This game was perfect and balanced. Why epic do you continue to listen to the cry babies. You can play against the against the sawed off and the retro lancer simply by being aware of them(take wide berths around corners and use cover against the retro). As soon as i use the sawed off and it doesnt work(do to your changes) me and all my friends are going to put this game down(like Gears 2) and go back to MW2 who knows not to screw up a good thing. Why couldnt you have just added a gnasher mode for all the cry babies!!!!

    • Charlie is MLG

      I know this comment will not be listened to from all the comments here, or the whole Gears of War community in general.  But if you guys at Epic could nerf the lancer just a tiny bit it would make the Competitive aspect such as MLG much more enjoyable.

    • Trevor Harnack

      So now that you have made the gnasher the only thing to use… like all the other gears! What will be you next move? Might as well add damage for a wall bounce, or something worthless. P.S. Cliffy B. didn’t you say that you could use all these other weapons in this game, and if you wanted to just use the gnasher to go play the other 2 gears… What happened to that?

    • http://profiles.google.com/jamielslovenski Jamiel Slovenski

      Wow, will you guys please the the hell up about the sawed-off shotgun?

      First off, it’s a GAME, why do you have to give such a fit about it?

      Second, There’s no point about suggesting Epic Games to remove the Sawed-off shotgun, because, in my opinion, I don’t really care about the “balance” of weapons, you made the choice of the load-out, so it’s your own goddamn fault.

      • Blingle17

        well obviously you care about the game just as much as everyone else here because you are looking at the comments.

        “Second” we are all stating opinions about how to change the game for better or for worse. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

    • Srg Cairney

      If you dont like dont play. Simple!!! All the weapons are deisnged for purpose, if someone rathers the sawn-off shotgun to the gnasher, so be it. Otherwise give everyone a frag grenade and just have a tag match!! ha.

    • Eli

      Real players don’t whine about changes, they adapt. Whatever changes are made, I’ll still be a beast.

    • brandon

      the sawed off should only be allowed by picking it up because its like a power weapon and it takes no skill to use, any retard can point and shoot a gun. and another thing people like animated skins so come up with some new ones in a DLC so everyone can enjoy. also its nice that you put in a pink weapon skin now make more plane colors =) same with the animated ones, making liquid metal and liquid green was really cool but make some new ones like liquid(gold,white,blue,red,etc) but all of this is just my opinion

    • Finchomatic

      Well, here goes my two cents. I’ll probably get bashed but whatever.

      Personally, I think everything is in check.  I have noticed that the Sawed-off has further range in order to blow away people in chunks and I’m probably not the first to say that it was utter [enter expletive here].  You know what though, I’m just going to have to get used to it.  As much as the SO is a problem to everyone and myself, there are ways to counter it (pretty sure there are numerous ways that people have already mentioned).  I’ll choose not to use it as much as possible because I rather use a shotgun and fight someone head to head vs. the normal routine (that is quite common among SO players) of a) close range shot, b) run away, c) reload, d) repeat.  That’s just my personal preference.

      The lancer is good and people definitely make use of the extremely long magazine it offers.  I sometimes hear complaints of people who say “Lancer noob” or whatever pathetic insult they think is good.  Hammerburst takes skill to wield, ammo in that weapon is fine and the clip is a good size.  The Retro is definitely one to learn how to wield properly also, but since the clip is burned out in a matter of 4-6 seconds or something like that, you have to choose your shots wisely.

      Overall, keep up the good work EPIC, I’m looking forward to your new maps.  Might I recommend something though?

      • Finchomatic

        fail on finishing my comment -_- ha. My initial thought was to watch the kind of maps you’re making and where the ideal places are to camp.  I can understand there needs to be places like cover in order to protect ones self, but if you’re in a ranked match and you have the follow competition and you’re on Mercy (for example), majority of the people I’ve played against (when down in TDM) camp inside the church and just wait.  I mean you can flush ‘em out with nades, OneShot, and Mortor but that literally is the ideal place for camping, especially for Sawed-Off players. Just thought I’d mention it.

      • Finchomatic

        fail on finishing my comment -_- ha. My initial thought was to watch the kind of maps you’re making and where the ideal places are to camp.  I can understand there needs to be places like cover in order to protect ones self, but if you’re in a ranked match and you have the follow competition and you’re on Mercy (for example), majority of the people I’ve played against (when down in TDM) camp inside the church and just wait.  I mean you can flush ‘em out with nades, OneShot, and Mortor but that literally is the ideal place for camping, especially for Sawed-Off players. Just thought I’d mention it.

    • Scottobrien1326

      Hi, I enjoy gears 3 a lot its really fun, The Sawed-off isnt too bad, there just have been times where I’ve gotten shattered by it from probably 10 feet away, It says its not effective unless your melee distance away, not too mad about that but just throwing that out there for thought. I do have to say the Retro lancer is overpowered, I noticed that the update doesnt make it kick anymore, According to Baird it would dislocate your shoulder, When it has active its a fully automatic shotgun and is very overpowered. The Retro was honestly fine before the update, you would just have to know how to burst fire. Also spawning on KOTH is kinda bad, I work so hard to get a place on lockdown so I can provide cover fire for my teammates pushing on a hill, just for the other team to spawn behind me. Just kind of annoying. Well I love Gears of war 3 and hopefully i didnt sound like too much of a troll. 

      P.S. Epic, are you really adding a Silverback to Rustlung as in Versus? That will create a lot of problems I think, that thing is a walking tank and shouldn’t be added this isnt Battlefield, lets keep this a foot soldier kind of game.

      • Scott O

        I’ve been a gears fan since the first one, To be honest all Epic really had to do was just add dedicated servers and then there wouldnt be all this complaining.

        Gears 1 and 2: HOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        Gears 3:Over powered LANCER!!! SAWED-OFF!!!!!! 

        Here is a suggestion for a future update.

        Only Gnasher playlist. Yeah it sounds stupid but think about it more before you hate?
        It require teamwork to push to get weapons, it will eliminate camping because if you camp you will allow for the other team to acquire power weapons, there wont a reason to complain about anything like sawed-off or lancering. They will only get to complain about skill and teamwork.

        Love or Hate, we all still love the game and I look forward to playing with you :).

    • Scott1326

      Been reading a lot of comments about complaining, Just realized every game has its flaws, just get used to them, its all for fun anyway so just enjoy it. So what if u get splattered into 100 pieces by a sawed-off its all for fun, just have a good time and meet new people thats what xbox is for. 

    • GH057 0F 5P4R74

      you should not have changed the sawn off. i only use it rarely when trying to get double kills or do the execution. i prob wont use it much at all now. the people who complain about the sawn off on the forums do not accurately represent the entire population who play the game. the long reload time and single shot capacity make up for the extreme power. you had it right the first time

    • Andybuckdawg

      Reduced range on a shitty range weapon? It’s the range on the Gnasher you need to reduce, it’s stupid at times! Only people who moan about the sawed off are the fools who are too stupid to watch their backs and keep from getting flanked and spanked, and for a game that encourages flanking tactics, the sawed off was ideal. It was also the people who were too stupid to get too close to it and got obliterated as a result that moaned about it, instead of actually thinking “hmm, maybe I should have approached that better” and changed tactics. So well done Epic for catering to the crybabies who can’t hack it, you’ve taken away the great equalizer in the game. As you can tell, i’m an avid sawed off user, but I’m certainly no n00b, considering I’m one of the very few who have Seriously 1 & 2, so take my opinion for what it’s worth please.

      • El Jorge

        The range on the Gnasher is fine and the Sawed Off was SUPPOSED to have a shorter range but could kill all 5 players in 1 shot.  That was the trade off.  The Sawed Off should not have the same range as the Gnasher.

    • Js004e6856

      I’ve noticed no difference at all. still getting killed with SOS from range even when in cover. Noot playing MP until its fixed!

    • Andyroe661

      Please make a calssic GoW playlist that way the little kids get to play with thier sawed offs while fudge packing themselves and the real players can use the classic combo. i think thatd eliminate most if not all the complaigning players(myself included)

    • LOLOLOL

      PEOPLE WHO USE GNASHERS GET ANNOYED WHEN PEOPLE USING SAWN-OFFS KILL THEM. I THINK THIS IS BECAUSE GNASHER BASHERS ARE TOO OLD SCHOOL TO GET A KILL WITH THE SAWN OFF! THEY GET ANNOYED WHEN A PERSON USING A SAWN-OFF MISSES HIS SHOT AND RUNS OFF! – WHATS HE SUPPOSED TO DO? – STAND THERE AND LET YOU KILL HIM!? THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR TYPING BEFORE YOU POST A COMMENT!!!

    • Matthewcolon25

      i agree with the gentleman below me, but i may add as the shotgun usage has grown popular and automatic weapon usage is frown upon because its similiar to many 3rd person shooting games. i suggested to make a “game mode” with just straight shotguns. and also have a game mode where each team has an objective and each player has quotas of kills and deaths to meet. Cog V. Locust

    • Anonymous

      After your little change to the sawed off Epic.. Last night I was playing some KoTH and Team Deathmatch, partied up with a friend and played for a couple hours. I cant even say how many times the other team absolutely dominated from the start because there little noob asses were using sawed offs or came back from being dominated themselves by busting out the sawed off in the middle of the match. Instead of putting your little stats out about who uses what weapon, you should put something saying how many times has one been killed by certain weapons. I can GUARANTEE you that everyones highests “killed by” weapon will be that noobie shotgun. As for everyone that isnt Epic, do not defend the sawed off because that thing is just sh*t. Yes when true noobs use it they are somewhat easy to deal with, but what about when you are playing a party of veterans or even a single veteran in a ranked TD or KoTH using the sawed off? You get destroyed.. I play KoTH mainly simply because those turn out to be the longest games, no kill limit, and you can make mad points if it goes to 3 rounds, and i am really REALLY starting to hate this game because when you jump into a KoTH it turns into a giant sawed off battle and i F*CKING HATE it!! I think thats a large reason why people dont really play KoTH, because being in the hill and some little scrub ass noob/veteran comes running in with the sawed off and destroys everyone in one shot, and dont even try to explain these changes prevent that because it doesnt. The games i played last night the same guy kept getting double and triple sprays with this piece of sh*t, oh and he was a lvl 97 that was partied with 3 other dudes around the same rank doing the same thing. Your little change makes no difference, i feel like giving this game back to gamestop because i cant even jump into a ranked match anymore because of this gay ass gun. My K/D goes to shit when the other team decides to start using sawed offs because they’re getting there asses kicked. If you are gonna make any change to this it should be switch to a power weapon, leave it the way it was before but by making it a power weapon even with all 6 shots only 1 person on the map can have it at a time which would be so much better then everyone. Or you can just get rid of it all together that would be even better, but your not gonna do that. Why? Because your f*cking stupid Epic, creating weapons with the intention of them being for “New players” to begin with was probably the worst idea you could have for this game, Retro isnt so bad i can deal with that most of the time. You should have known people were going to abuse it, and guess what? If you wouldnt have added it, this game would be perfect. Sorry to everyone reading if you disagree, but most likely if you disagree with any of this you are a sawed off user and i couldnt care less about your reasons on why the sawed off is great. 

      P.S. CoD sucks and by saying dominated earlier it was not in reference to that crap game, and sorry for kinda being all over the place with my comments just trying to get it all out with fewer words.

      • El Jorge

        If there are 5 of you in the circle and 1 guy with the Sawed Off comes in and kills all of you, maybe the weapon isn’t the problem…

        BTW, I’m a Gnasher user.

        • Anonymous

          No there isnt 5 in the circle.. If the whole team ends up in the circle i get out. Most of the time we use 2 maybe 3 to cap the hill the others are simply support. Once the hill is capped we leave the hill and protect it. Hopefully that cleared things up for you.

    • John

      Every post I see about the saw-off talks about how the gib range was fixed. I have 2 questions, 1) what is the the differeance between range and gib range? 2) was it my imagination or was there 2 bullets in the saw-off at a time in the beta? I liked it with two bullets because that in my mind makes it balanced because then you can shoot someone and not have to run off and hide to reload (so far in my experience, I shoot someone and then as im running away to reload I get lancered down). Why make the saw-off only a one on one gun? 

    • John

      After reading all these posts about the saw-off I have 2 questions. 1) I still dont understand the difference between range and gib range and 2) is it my imagination or in the beta the saw-off had 2 bullets in the chamber instead of 1? I think the saw-off is more balanced with 2 because you dont have to shoot then run away to reload ( in experience, I get into a 2v1 and i kill one with the SO and as im running away to reload for the next one I get lancered down before reaching cover). Why make the saw-off a 1v1 weapon?  

      • El Jorge

        In the Beta, the Sawed off had a wider and farther Gib range but it was still only 1 shot.  Range and Gib Range are essentially the same thing with the exception that Gib Range = Width AND Length of the shot fired.  Think of it as a slice of pizza which looks somewhat like this <) as that's how shotguns fire.

      • Scott1326

        if it was 2 bullets then they would have to make it a lot weaker two bullets with that thing right now would be way too overpowered and would make the game a much worse experience, and getting lancer downed while running away is the price you must pay for using that weapon.

    • El Jorge

      I don’t know why people complain about the Sawed Off so much.  I agree that the range NEEDED to be adjusted as the Sawed Off was intended to be a closer range weapon when compared to the Gnasher and SHOULD NOT HAVE the same range.  I don’t use the Sawed Off and I don’t have a problem countering it with the Gnasher.  Granted, there are going to be times where I am unsuccessful in repelling a Sawed Off attack but that doesn’t mean it’s overpowered because I couldn’t defend.  You’re not going to win every time people.  Now, I also agree that it is REALLY frustrating when 3 guys run in and they all have Sawed Off, but if you are up against 3 guys, you’re likely to lose that battle no matter what weapon they have.  You have to play smarter.  If you see a guy running at you, assume they have a Sawed Off and START SHOOTING them.  Lancer/Retro/Hammerburst them down while backing up.  The Retro is ESPECIALLY good at owning someone running at you.

    • Fackyou

      Simply speaking, people are pissed because the Gnashes sucks dick compared to the SO and they’re upset that their little baby shottie wottie can’t stand up to the SO in close combat. Quick pointer, stop using the Gnasher for every single range of fighting. I see people trying to snipe with the god damn thing for christ sake. It’s a shotgun, use it like one. The reason why the SO is so ‘overpowered’ is because people use it like a fucking shotgun. They get up in yo face and blow you to bits. They do not sit behind cover and attempt to head shot from across the map.

    • Mr.Omnoman

      Silly children.  Get pro with the Gnasher, the you can take out sawn off shotguns with moves and dodges.

    • Robino13

      You can compare the Sawed-off and Gnasher to baseball and football.
      The Sawed-off is the automatic kill.
      The Gnasher is the consistent weapon that is also dangerous

      The Sawed-off is that Batter that hits .200 on the season but every 1 of 5 hits is a 500ft bomb. When you get it you look good but when you miss you have to run away and hide from the crowd.

      The Gnasher is that consistent hitter who hits .350 on the season and you know it will do you well, it also has home run potential too.

      The SO is the team that scores on 1/4 Drives in Football. They always do it on a big play though.

      The Gnasher is the team that can drive up and down the field picking off 5 or 6 yards a time. It also has big play potential.

      This honestly might sound genius or retarted but Im baked off my mind so whatever.

    • JJ

      The retro’s fine. All the rifles are good where they are. I’m going to the rifleman medal right now(I already have Lancer(Silver) and Hammerburst(Bronze) and am currently going for the Retro. It seems cheap when your killed by it, but look:

      Medium sized clip, alright. Horrible fucking recoil. Incredibly short range due to said recoil and spread. The retro charge? Incredibly satisifying, but completely useless. It isn’t faster then the roadie run, and you can even hear it happen a fucking mile away. And you need to be pretty far for it to even work.

      If anything, its the worst assault rifle. Its only redeeming value is that it butchers shotgun charging fags.

      The Lancer? Don’t let Epic fuck with the lancer. Changing the Lancer would be like killing off Marcus or Dom.

      Oh, wait…

    • JJ

      The retro’s fine. All the rifles are good where they are. I’m going to the rifleman medal right now(I already have Lancer(Silver) and Hammerburst(Bronze) and am currently going for the Retro. It seems cheap when your killed by it, but look:

      Medium sized clip, alright. Horrible fucking recoil. Incredibly short range due to said recoil and spread. The retro charge? Incredibly satisifying, but completely useless. It isn’t faster then the roadie run, and you can even hear it happen a fucking mile away. And you need to be pretty far for it to even work.

      If anything, its the worst assault rifle. Its only redeeming value is that it butchers shotgun charging fags.

      The Lancer? Don’t let Epic fuck with the lancer. Changing the Lancer would be like killing off Marcus or Dom.

      Oh, wait…

    • Proudeodwife13

      need to nerf the gnasher a bit as will, it stupid when you get one shot downed from a good distance away

    • Gaberiojas

      Can we please have a TDM and KOTH game mode with execution rules?

    • Trainlvr1

      if iget killed with the fucking sawed off from 30 feet away im going to break the game in half then cut my sisters neck sell her body on the blck market and use the money to buy 30 grams of crack smoke it until i die or go insane

    • black stuff

      if iget killed with the fucking sawed off from 30 feet away im going to break the game in half then cut my sisters neck sell her body on the blck market and use the money to buy 30 grams of crack smoke it until i die or go insane

    • J_ssimpkins

      i would like the retro lancer to be changed back to how it was in the beta. because the changes they put on it in the retail games just makes it blow so please take into consideration if you make more guns for people to use than make it to where people will use because you can see from states all people are using is still the gnasher and lancer.
      so please change retro back to how it was in beta or how it is in the campain with no recoil but bullets still are not accurate. thank you.

    • Anonymous

      THERE IS NO ANSWER FOR THE LANCER

    • Anonymous

      THERE IS NO ANSWER FOR THE LANCER

    • xBalthierx

      the game starts to get boring because of sawed-off, if you try to keep a distance they use an edit control to get u down with hammerburst or lancer with active reload…..Its the reallity

    • cog killer

      now that you made the sawed off useless why not just remove it? im a fan of the series and loved the gnasher battles but to make a drastic change cause some people dont know how to counter is dumb if you want to fix something how about dedicated servers

    • Subzero LB

      Okay, the sawed off and the retro are the most retarded weapons, im an MLG player, and having played gow 3 since its release, they need to be greatly reduced damage wise.

      The retro takes you down in about 3 shots up close, quicker than the gnasher.

      And in regards to defending agaisnt people hiding around walls with sawed offs? A lot of the time you dont know theyre there, and even if you do, you wont always have an ink, smoke or boomshot handy, all that combined with the ridiculous kill trading system, its near impossible to get a clean kill on a camping sawed off wielder.

      So much in this game needs to change in order for it to be as succesful as GoW 1. Move as far away from GoW 2 as possible, remove stopping power it brings gameplay to a dead stop, correct the stupid movement and cover systems, allow people to hit walls before abusing their ‘A’ button and moving to another wall.

      In my opinion the Retro and SO should go full stop, but i can appreciate some people arent good enough to use the gnasher. So how about a playlist for decent players? No SO or Retro, please!

      And i like some of the new weapon swaps put in place, Torque/Boomshot on Overpass makes the map actually enjoyable, but a scorcher on Sandbar? That has to go no doubt about it.

      Having read some of the comments, Z4NDY makes a terrific point, the Gnasher is a 100% skilled based weapon, the SO requires less than zero skill, the only thing you need is to be close to someone, and to be honest not even that close, then you pull the trigger and they are gone. No skill in either hiding, camping or steamtraining and running away.

      I dont understand why, if Gears of War 1 was one of the most sold and played games in history, and Gears of War 2 was just an unfathomable disaster, why have epic kept more from GoW 2 than 1? Its beyond dumb.

    • Stephenmartel5

      if the sawed off was getting less kills then the gnasher, then why change the gib of the sawed off? In my opinion the tweaks went to the wrong shotgun

    • Dew Devil

      If you want to change anything change the kill system. If I down a guy and someone else kills him then I should get the kill and he should get an assist. This is a very big problem with the gears community.

    • Dew Devil

      Honestly this is getting old. I remember a time where challenges were welcomed. Now there is just a whole lot of crying. The guys who use the gnasher cry about the sawed off, but yet if you had so much skill then why are you crying. OUT THINK your opponent! Make him waste his shot then chop that bastard down. It is so simple. Use caution when going around corners. Just adapt or get layed out!

    • Jordan

      leave everything the way it is, just take out/tweak the hell out of the sawed off, it is the most annoying no skill over powered weapon, and its not fun to get killed over and over by it, kids that are lvl 70+ that use that gun are obviously not meant to be that lvl, its sad. 

    • yomama

      I love the SO even with the changes. If you keep getting destroyed by it YOU suck. I actually get more kills with the gnasher when I feel like using it, but the SO is so much fun to use especially since it pisses off the “veterans”. Stop thinking youre special, I played the previous games too, YOU are the n00b. Is it so hard to learn something new?

    • yomama

      I love the SO even with the changes. If you keep getting destroyed by it YOU suck. I actually get more kills with the gnasher when I feel like using it, but the SO is so much fun to use especially since it pisses off the “veterans”. Stop thinking youre special, I played the previous games too, YOU are the n00b. Is it so hard to learn something new?

    • Stevetheturket

      this game is trash multiplayer, the retro and sawn off both need to go, gay shit.

    • halloween

      I dont understand it we all payed money for this game we all should be able to play it if we want if i want to corner camp with a sawed off whats the big deal i payed for it ill play how i want kinda kills the fun when people want to take out weapons from the game to fit there style because they cant kill someone who needs to get face to face to kill them before the nerf my clan mates would kill just as much people with a gnasher then a sawed off user just like with a boomshot you cant expect to rush them with a gnasher and not expect to get blasted o camping behind a rock then get picked off by a longshot its part off the game find a way around the weapons and find a way to beat it thats what makes you a better gamer instead of crying for certain weapons to be weaker in my opinion.

    • Nicksalinas123

      i got in to a hacked match and quit and now when i try to play gears of war it freezes and shows all these numbers on the screen this is bull shit they need to fix this problem i didnt waste my money for a game i cant play on my profile

      • Nicksalinas123

        any one got any sugegtions on what i should do my profile works on every other game just not gears its bull shit

    • Realist

      look all in all its just strategy. learning to adapt to something to go into your favour if someones using a sawn off and your not good enough to take it on with a gnasher move back and lancer them. in the end its just a game though guys. honestly. im not putting anyone down or dissing anyone im just saying play the game and enjoy the fact that its the  end of the gears of war trilogy and we should all rellish it

    • Mister BRUTAL

      If you want to run through the map aimlessly without paying attention, then go play COD with the rest of the children. Gears in not COD. It is about using cover to get up close and personal with your opponents. If you don’t like people corner camping with SO, pay attention to what you are doing.

    • Diesel009

      the screwed up the shotguns…. saw-off seems further now and nasher sometimes wont kill even at point blank

    • Laloaguado11

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    • Lalo

      un codigo para mechanic baird porfavor

    • Iratewand09

      Regardless of the fact weather ur sappose to kill them while there run nnning at u with the sawed off its still is stupid beacuse ppl hide round corners nd u dont always and rarley will have the tools to take them out like a boomshot or nades sometimes u just throw uir smoke rush in there try to kill em miss nd then they shoot once destroyin your body in on shot….

      • Realist

        yeah i fully agree but thats why you also dont run aimlessly at a corner that 8 times out of ten always has someone behind it……. it is a strategic game…. if you have a choice between a kill and cover, unless you know 100 percent youll get the kill theres no point cause your just wasting yourself. or atleast think of different ways to get to them eg flanking and everything….. this game isnt made to be a one man army, its to play as a team. thats what people forget, and thats why they lose in the end.

      • Vada

        Thats the same thing I thought about Gnashers in Gears 1 & 2.  Its called you flank them and work with your team.

        3100 Sawed Off Kills and counting….

    • ARES

      Geodice is right. Lo siento por no escribir en su lenguaje,no soy bueno en el ingles pero solo queria dejar mi opinion. Solo digo que geodice esta en lo corecto, gears3 es exelente y diferente al 1 y 2, muchas cosas cambiaron desde el francotirador y la mira expansiva asta la escopeta gnasher y la recortada eso le da dinamismo y variacion al juego, y claro que me ha pasado encontrar partidas con tipos que solo usan recortada pero eso lo soluciono rapido cambiando a la misma, lo que trato de decir es que las armas estan bien tal y como estan,epic o los creadores de gears no deberian hacer actualizaciones en cuanto a las armas (su potencia o alcance), tal y como lo hicieron la escopeta del gears2, apartir de esa actualizacion el g2 dejo de ser divertido para mi y me enfoque en juegos como halo o call of duty, si claro que hagan actulizaciones en cuanto al gameplay y para mi esta muy bien lo del evento de la semana esta divertido.

    • Xredrumx831

      not good enough. you guys need to remove the sawed off from the online multiplayer or make it a pick up weapon. the sawed off is garbage

      • Realist

        Its not garbage. Personally i dont use it but you have to learn to adapt to the weapon as you play you cant get rid of it just cause people dont like it…. I mean i hagte it too but i still deal with it unless you know youll beat em to do a shotty battle with em… But i know how annoyed you are about it

      • Vada

        And if the garbage takes you out, what does that make you?

        3100 Sawed Off Kills and counting….

    • I CUT UR HEAD

      The only problem with the weapons is that when a scary ass retard uses a rapid fire controller while using the hammer burst or the lancer of the retro lancer… You don’t stand a chance because this are mid to long range weapon and your gnasher and saw-off are close rage weapons.

    • ghandix90

      Tip for avoiding deaths from a Sawed Off: Don’t run into a shotgun.

    • SuperGearsFan

      I think the SOS adds variety. Every multi-player has a gun that people
      complain about. However I dont believe the stats that is being reported is a little off because most people I play with claim that the SOS
      is one of the guns they kill most with. For example:

      My top 3 are:

      Gnasher – 3161kills

      Hammerbust – 989

      Sawed Off – 430

      My roommate’s top three are:

      Lancer – 2451

      Sawed Off – 1780

      Gnasher – 450

      In just this small example if I did the math the sawed off between me and my roommate represent just over 31% of the total kill count. (Excluding map weapon kills)

      I am curious to see other people stats to confirm that the sawed off gets more kills then we are lead to believe.

      I think the hammerbust could use a very slight adjustment to the clip side. Perhaps one or two more shots worth. But I am happy with the balance right now

      DO NOT NERF ANY WEAPONS PLEASE EPIC.

      • Vada

        I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but this is roughly my weapon stats for kills in multiplayer.  Here are my top 3.

        Sawed Off Shotgun: 3100

        Retro Lancer: 300

        Lancer: 100

        Again, not my exact numbers but its close.  My Sawed Off Shotgun kills make up 88% of my total kills.

    • guest

      did they increase the range in the sawed off cause their getting me from further than a the gnasher B.S.

    • JJ

      what they need to do is make a game mode where u play with the starting weapons of the first gears of war game…so start only with gnasher, lancer, pistol, and a smoke gernade…that way people who love the gnasher like myself can play that game mode and people who love to play with S.O can just play the regular game modes they offer now…i would be happy with that

    • Slipknot52692

      Geodice not everyone is gonna camp with sawed off people actually wallbounce and when it comes to the point where people just used sawed offs all the time and retro lancers then the shit gets innoying both weapons are for noobs who have never played the game before even the creater himself said it its gay the games for COD noobs gears 2 took way more skill and they need a playlist without retro and sawed off id be happy cause this game has way too many noobs who use sawed off and retro

      • Vada

        Then go back and play Gears of War 2.  Cliffy B. put those weapons in for a reason, and if you Gnasher/Lancer players can’t deal with it then obviously your the unskilled one because you can’t adapt.

        3100 Sawed Off Kills and counting….

    • I CUT UR HEAD

      Tips to Gaing Advantage Over the Saw-Off
      1. Never rush another player that  you know he have the saw off.
      2. Let them come to you and use their range disadvantage in you favor.
      3. Beffore running into a door way allways check for a retard waiting there.
      4. learn to use both gun.
      5. if the other entire team is using saw off your best option is to use the saw off too.
      6. Wall bouncing is not that effective but ussed… if you are quick enoff it would help you.
      7. If you put down a saw- off retard that was waiting for you in a door Way.. humiliate him ass much as you can before you kill him

      I my sell know how to use both gun and im not the best player but i get some kill using this tips

      • Realist

        the only thing youo really need to do is either play strategically or use the sawn off and save yourself from a bad  KD… its not that difficult. the sawn off is a little far fetched i mean the other day i saw someone kill an entire team with one shot. and they were scattered. so i admit it is ridiculously powerful and should have its range lowered so that its max is probably 3 people. i use it sometimes and i think its bull haha…. but thats just my opinion. its good but its bad

        • Vada

          Its not the range, its the spread.  I killed 4 people and downed the leader in a CTL game with a single blast.  They were picking the leader up, all within a foot of each other and they paid the price for bunching up like that.

      • Vada

        As a Sawed Off user, I can vouch that this guy knows how to piss us off.  Use your range to your advantage, don’t go for the instagib range, just put us down with a few shots.

        Just in case you guys do run into me, I wallbounce with the Sawed Off, and I do flank.  Though if I know that your onto me, I switch out to my Retro Lancer.

        Stop crying on these forums and go and kill us!

        3100 Sawed Off Kills and counting….

    • terrence jackson

      they dont need to change  nothing the game is great.it is alot of ppl going to cry all the time cause they suck at it.ps cliffy B.u did a good job man dont listen to these cry babys they just trying to f the game up

    • Voltire

      Jesus guys, its a game and if your plannin on playing it competivly im sure that you can mold the rules to be what you all consider “balenced”. Play the damn game. Stop bitching about trivial things like “the skill of gnasher users vs SO users” its really just making this community look like a load of half retarded 6 year olds with a stick up our ass because some guy killed you.

      In other words play it, if you bitch about somthing figure out a counter to it, dont like SO? DONT RUSH THE GUY HOLDING IT.

      • Vada

        Thank you.

    • El Sawnoff

      You want balance?  Go in the garden with your only friend and hit each other with sticks.

    • PMC

      so i assume this is where epic went wrong after the beta…they jsut saw the gnasher had more kills and said the SOS is fine…theoretically
      if 100 people play the game81 of them choose the gnasher and some rifle19 choose the SOS and some other riflethan the next 1000 kilsthe gnasher makes up 220 of the kills and the SOS makes up 120but if u apply the simple concept of divisionit means that the people with the SOS get 6.3 each and the gnasher people get 2.7 klills eachso esentially ur get 3 times more kills, ranking up 2-3 times faster (which is when u start playing against 80′ sand 90 ranked people they all seem to have an SOS)

    • Jon D.

      Wow gnasher has 4x more users than SOS but less than double the kills. SOS is a problem. Even if it was “balanced” it adds mediocre gameplay. Gnasher fights have alot of movement, dodging, depth. SOS is shoot, kill or don’t, and then run away. Please make a playlist without it

      • Vada

        Ever heard of ‘Hit and Run?’  That what I do with the Sawed Off Shotgun.  I charge in, fire off a round, then get the hell out.

    • Jregisgonzalez99

      yea true leave everything alone if anything add that old school playlist epic so people wont piss and leave the game, we need more players and to keep our players and maybe gets some more. Also note idc but i dont see any difference  with the sawed off.

      • Realist

        i sure as hell did when i killed 4 people with one shot  scattered quite a distance from eachother

    • Jregisgonzalez99

      yea true leave everything alone if anything add that old school playlist epic so people wont piss and leave the game, we need more players and to keep our players and maybe gets some more. Also note idc but i dont see any difference  with the sawed off.

    • Rockmaster36

      I agree with what you say because last week I got a title update and can’t even kill people with the sawed-off because it goes right through them and they kill me doing the same thing. After this recent title update my K/D was 1.9 know because of the update the game play is horrible and my K/D is now 1.5 and dropping I have even tried shooting people in the head with the Gnasher with the barrel stuck in their head and they still kill me.

    • AndyRoo

      The funny thing is that the people complaining about how the sawed off is Over Powered are probably the same b*tches who insisted on camping corners with the gnasher in Gears 1 and 2. Because that takes sooooo much skill. Shut the f@ck up bi*ches. Sawed off is just like the gnasher. Cheap. They’re both cheap. Neither is fair. So shut up.

      • Realist

        Thats debatable only cause the sawn offs range seems far better than what rated and thus being able to get 4 kills with one shot as well as the dage level… The gnasher has better range and less damgae yet the sawn wins a lot over the nasher in range when its spose to be worse… Im not sayin i disagree with you im simply just saying its debatable

      • Realist

        Thats debatable only cause the sawn offs range seems far better than what rated and thus being able to get 4 kills with one shot as well as the dage level… The gnasher has better range and less damgae yet the sawn wins a lot over the nasher in range when its spose to be worse… Im not sayin i disagree with you im simply just saying its debatable

    • Callumadey

      As soon as modern warfare 3 comes out, you will see less and less people using the sawn off…but then there’s people who are unbelievably level 100 already, and use retro and sawn off. They need to go outside for some fresh air.

      • Vada

        I use Retro and Sawed Off and I’m only a level 51.  I plan on sticking around when CoD comes out.  Gears of War 3 is a MUCH better shooter.

    • Un4getable47mike

      Thing wrong with gears quick someup 1. both people dying from gnasher 2. sawed off ruins many gnasher battles and wingman because people cam p and trap u and another team comes and insta kills u with retro. 3. warzone execution are too short 4. RETRO RETRO RETRO is the worst weapon of all as it is unstoppable. hammerburst is also too powerful, but retro retro retro. And dont tell me to adapt idiots, i have tried it and i rape, it makes me feel sick grose discusting. No skill to get  kills with those weapons, mostly retro, retro retro, why do ui thing the pro arent allowed to use retro and sawed off. I consider my self a top notch player many times getting great scores like 19-1 kdr, but when i get 16-10 because rertro and sawed off, i quit for life, done. Fix these problems, MAKE A CLASSIC WINGMAN MODE WHERE NO RETRO SAWED OFF NOOB ARE ALLOWED. This is all your fault cleffy Boob, lol. 80% of gears fans hate this game, just guessing, probobly pretty close. But I quit this game just like everybody i know, they cannot stand the bull. We’ve played this crap for a 2 weeks, played gears 1,2 for years, nuff said. 

    • Cody

      you should have kept the sawed off shotguns power and not of nerfed it because it only holds one shot if they miss u pretty much have em

    • mustang

      i think that the saw off should have stayed the same, just cuz ppl will cry about some1 wit a saw off i think it should have 2 shoots also

    • Anonymous

      I believe this is the most balanced weapons will be in Gears of War 3.  Every weapon has its strengths and if you apply those strengths with strategy in a game you will be unstoppble.  I use the boltock pistol whenever i can and thats got me an unbelievible amount of domes.  I have over 2100 headshost at lelvel 83.  Sure the longshot and gnasher contributed too but its weapons like the boltock that make me want to play this game.  I love it and its not too hard to play while your boofed either, stay back from the sawed off, use teamwork, draw enemies out, distractions are key, and everyonce and a while give a creamy melee to inaccurate sawed off slut.  Add me on live and we can put the merk down.  Thanks Epic for the reduced gib range on the sawed off and I’m looking forward to the new maps!

      Suggestion for Gears Event :  Second Shot Tocks?  Boltocks only Weekend ;)

      Gamertag  :  I PurpleMist I

    • Quinnlemon

      The sawed off must be nerfed. I’m sorry but it turns the game into a camping fest. If you want real proof, go play the game! I’ve seen it kill 4 people at once, and all it takes is pointing your guy in one direction. I used it on wingman, i would down i guy with a assualt rifle, wait for his teamate to go start to pick him up, and roll in and get a double with the sawed off. The best idea would be nerf it, but you could also make it a weapon you pick up, less ammo on start (like 2 shots of it), or an even longer reaload time. Even making you have to pull the trigger twice to shoot both barrels would be acceptable. Thanks for listening to my rant!

    • Mjthaking23

      EPIC U SAY U MADE THE GAME BETTER BUT GUESS WAT?…U DIDNT! U SAID DAT G3 WOULD B MORE FAIR BUT ITS NOT BCUSS U GOT PEOPLE WIT GNASHERS DOWNING PEOPLE FROM ACROSS A MAP BUT U HAVE 2 B FACE 2 FACE WIT SUM1 2 KILL DEM WIT A SAWED OFF.DA SAWED OFF WAS FINE N DA BEGINNING. U CHANGED THE SAWED OFF BCUSS PEOPLE WAS COMPLAINING.PEOPLE GOING TO ALWAYS COMPLAIN NO MATTER WAT U DO. U NEED TO CHANGE THE SAWED OFF BACK AND TELL DEM COMPLAINING PEOPLE TO SUCK IT UP AND PLAY AND IF DEY DONT THEY CAN TRADE N DA GAME.U MAKIN GEARS 3 JUST LIKE G2 WITHOUT THE HOST….IM JUST SAYIN.

    • Mjthaking23

      EPIC U SAY U MADE THE GAME BETTER BUT GUESS WAT?…U DIDNT! U SAID DAT G3 WOULD B MORE FAIR BUT ITS NOT BCUSS U GOT PEOPLE WIT GNASHERS DOWNING PEOPLE FROM ACROSS A MAP BUT U HAVE 2 B FACE 2 FACE WIT SUM1 2 KILL DEM WIT A SAWED OFF.DA SAWED OFF WAS FINE N DA BEGINNING. U CHANGED THE SAWED OFF BCUSS PEOPLE WAS COMPLAINING.PEOPLE GOING TO ALWAYS COMPLAIN NO MATTER WAT U DO. U NEED TO CHANGE THE SAWED OFF BACK AND TELL DEM COMPLAINING PEOPLE TO SUCK IT UP AND PLAY AND IF DEY DONT THEY CAN TRADE N DA GAME.U MAKIN GEARS 3 JUST LIKE G2 WITHOUT THE HOST….IM JUST SAYIN.

    • Cclaxsoccer5

      The sawed off still seems to have the same range. The power is what needs to be dealt with. Thank you

    • PURExNOBLE

      Gnasher skill is based on keeping distance and using it to your advantage, if you wanna win in a corner battle with a Sawed, dont be surprised if you lose. And it also shows no skill that you have a Sawed off run straight up to your face and blow you away without you downing him first. Theres a reason why they have the evade button to move back. Sawed off skill, you need to be deadly close without active reload and the only battle you can truely win is corner battles. People who shoot, miss and run have no skill, but people who shoot, miss and pull out their pistol or rifle are skilled Sawedd off players, Hip fire lancer is a required skill because for a person to get you down, even with a gnasher or Sawed off in their face is a failure. And for people complaining about that, theirs a thing called evade. Stop complaining and change your gameplay to overcome these problems, why do you think game developers dont do nothing about. Because theres a solution to it, you just didnt find it.  

    • Smithy

      i have owned gears 1, 2 & now 3, and loved 1…hated 2 and love 3. in 1 i only used gnasher and was great, 2..well just hated 2…and 3 im good with gnasher-not as good as i was in 1 but i have to admit i really like the so..i only play KOTH and find the so great…i will normally pick up a gnasher and carry both gnasher and so…gnasher for longer range victims and the so when ring charging…so just because i love the so does that make me rubbish?? i think not…as people have said…if u dont like it…play something else…or just stand there with your super soaker lancer and spray!!! SO rocks! as does Gnasher and most weapons!! GOW3 ROCKS!!!

    • TheSterlingZ

      i was obviously out of melee range then i dived out the way because the guy around the corner had you know it a sawed off shotgun then he killed me when i dived and out of melee range that is just so stupid i dont know if its different in epic LAN battles but the lag gets terrible hundreds of miles away. 

    • Rene

      When they decreased the range of the SO, epic really screwed up the game and fun for me. Not everybody can be skillful at the game, and that doesn’t mean I want to play COD instead, I love Gears of War since the beggining, but not all have time to spend countless hours getting good and the SO was the perfect balance for those in my situation. Suddenly, they changed this fact and now multiplayer went back like gears 1 and 2, where you get frustrated for those fat kids playing all the f**king day, “getting skillful” c’mmon, this is a game not a job, do you want something that nedds skills? go get a job, study harder, workout, make something with your real life. This is a game and it was suposed to be fun, not to get angry and discouraged by retards playing all the f**king day

    • Lowkann

      first post  you are right on the fucking money !

    • Lowkan

      all of us SOS’s need to fight for are rights lol how the hell dose a sawed off only go melee distance thats bull shit. 12 gauge only gose about 30 if ack

    • Rene

      Why, why did you become this the same frustating experience that it was in multiplayer in previuos versions of the game. You thought of the sawed-off for one reason and now suddenly you just got away of the idea. Well sawed-off is almost useless now, since someone with a Gnasher can oneshot you almost in the same distant but they have faster reload time and more bullets. So the perfect balance you created is gone, and now you’re pushing everybody to just forget about everything else to go back to gnasher fest. That’s boring and frustraring, I really regret to have spent my money in a company that only support a specific group of people, kids that play all day and don’t have a life. Well I know theres hundreds of persons that are upset with the update, so i invite these persons to quit playing and quit buying dlcs from epic, so statistics show them than we are all important not just, fat kids with no life. Why do you push me to use the shotgun fanboys want me to use? They were upset because you really did a splendid job finding a balance and now you take it away… Maybe they’re right it’s time to find something more suitable of GoW is just for adicted… 

      • Carpenterallen20

        I 100% agree if it is only for nubs then why are the so called pros crying,

    • Rene

      Games are about fun not “getting skills”. I used to love Gears of War since the beggining, and finally I thought it would be a different experience with the SO, because I have a job, and I was really getting fun at nights, getting relax, go multiplayer, have an oportunity to kill two or three guys… and now is just about getting frustrated again, and do not refer me to COD, i hate COD. With what right did you take away something that was good for a lot of people. If this scenario will persist, you should tune something else, reload time to be fast as hell so we can dare to confront people with Gnashers, because the way it’s now with time SO will be forgoten, it was suposed to be for newcomers and now it requires you to get as close to melee distant, can you imagine that? that’s insane!!! season players will never let you get that close, so people that do not use Gnashers are screwed up like me. Why you persist to make the game all about Gnashers yi hate that weapon since the begining, we all think different, do not push everybody to quit SO and use Gnasher please that’s not fair

    • go-eff-yourself

      This isn’t gears of war 2. This is gears of war 3. There’s a whole bunch of different styles you can choose from when it comes to choosing the kind of shotgun and riffle you want. Giving the double barrel less range is gonna cause more people to use the gnasher and next thing you know, it’s just another fucking gears 2 gnasher fest. It takes away the beauty of variety that gears 3 once provided.I would rather have them either take out the damn sawed off or leave it alone because the sawed was already fine. decreasing the range defeats the purpose of why epic put in in there in the first place. Newcomers will just stick with the gnasher so why not just get rid of the sawed-off? People get sour because they’ve spent so much time using and honing their gnasher skills that when they attempt to use their wall bounching against a sawed-off and end up dying. They’re also mad that you don’t have to aim with the sawed-off but the truth is that you don’t have to aim with the dam gnasher either unless it’s a mid range fire fight. aiming is for more mid range combat and blind firing is for more close range. It’s not good to aim at close range since it gives you less peripheral vision to see side to side because of how the cursor zooms in when you aim. gnasher fanboys are mad too that sawed-off users “camp corners” but I’ve done that plenty of times with the gnasher as well to surprise kill. camping the corner is just a preference of style when you want to be defending a area or just planing a ninja kill. You can’t blame a sawed-off user for sticking around corners. the range is just way to freaking small to offer any options to do anything else like the gansher can. What else do you expect sawed-off users to do? strife side to side and shoot? You don’t see much sawed-off users complaining that the gnasher has too much range coming around corners from a wide angle to shot a sawed-off or the amount of shots and reload speed the gnasher has. on top of this, the gnasher offers more versatile moment since you can move around freely with he gnasher and not have to switch weapons since you can unexpectedly face a gun fight against anyone mid or close range, whereas, the sawed off, you can only deal with really close fights that when you need to deal with mid range fight, you have to switch weapons. which is time consuming and can get you killed by the time you take it out. another thing is that in a big fight with a lot of people coming in and out like in the ring of king of the hill, you can continue a longer kill streak one after another because of how many shots you have, whereas, the sawed-off, you get one shot and than you have to wait long to reload while someone comes and takes you out. If people hate the sawed-off so much, go back to play fucking gears 2. Before the update, there were a lot of good players out there that had no problem beating the sawed off real sawed-off counter skill and utilizing the range. At least I have respect for those players because they earned their kill instead of bit.ching about it to developers to make it easier for them since they lack skill. Do yo people not get that you can shake and bake a sawed-off, smoke stun them or take wide corners to prevent surprise shots!
      for those who think that sawed-off takes no skill, I bet they never had any mastery over it. when you miss your one shot you have to wall bounce across around until reload returns so you can unleash another shot. sawed-off users always have to develop techniques to counter gnashers that take wide turns around corners. They have to learn how to counter shake and bake as well. For every counter there is for the sawed-off, there is one skill more sawed-off users have to develop to counter it.
      I have never posted before to give my input but gnasher fanboys are starting to annoy me acting like little girls on their period. This is my two cents. I’m not interested in hearing what anyone else say to say and i’m not gonna reply to anyone because I’m wise enough to know that this will only breed more arguments. I have a life outside of this. you wont hear from me again. enjoy your complaining you b1tches.

      gnasher vs sawed-off right now
      Gnasher & sawed-off neutral attribute: about the same gib range.

      Gnasher pros: range, reload speed, ammo, mobile versatility, easier active reload, longer kill streak ability.
      gnasher cons:  smaller one shot kill radius

      sawed-off: wider one shot kill radius
      sawed-off cons: ammo (only one shot), mobile versatility, long reload, range, harder active reload, harder kill streak ability.

      And epic wants to retard the sawed-off even more? really?

    • muay-thai-boxing

      spread the truth!
      Gnasher pros: range, reload speed, ammo, ammo capacity, mobile versatility, easier active reload, fast kill streak ability

      gnasher cons:  smaller one shot kill radius (gib radius)

      sawed-off: wider one shot kill radius (gib radius)

      sawed-off cons: ammo (only one shot), mobile versatility, long reload,
      range, harder active reload, slow kill streak ability, ammo capacity

      gnasher/sawed-off neutral attribute: about the same one shot kill range. gib range.

      “This isn’t gears of war 2. This is gears of war 3. There’s a whole bunch of different styles you can choose from when it comes to choosing the kind of shotgun and riffle you want. Giving the double barrel less range is gonna cause more people to use the gnasher and next thing you know, it’s just another gears 2 gnasher fest. It takes away the beauty of variety that gears 3 once provided. I would rather have them either take out the damn sawed off or leave it alone because the sawed was already fine. decreasing the range defeats the purpose of why epic put in in there in the first place. Newcomers will just stick with the gnasher so why not just get rid of the sawed-off? People get sour because they’ve spent so much time using and honing their gnasher skills that when they attempt to use their wall bouncing against a sawed-off and end up dying. They’re also mad that you don’t have to aim with the sawed-off but the truth is that you don’t have to aim with the gnasher either unless it’s a mid range gun fight. aiming is for more mid range combat and blind firing is for more close range. It’s not good to aim at close range since it gives you less peripheral vision to see side to side because of how the cursor zooms in when you aim. gnasher fanboys are mad too that sawed-off users “camp corners” but I’ve done that plenty of times with the gnasher as well to surprise kill. camping the corner is just a preference of style when you want to be defending a area or just planing a ninja kill. You can’t blame a sawed-off user for sticking around corners. the range is just way to freaking small to offer any options to do anything else like the gansher can. What else do you expect sawed-off users to do? strafe side to side and shoot? You don’t see much sawed-off users complaining that the gnasher has too much range coming around corners from a wide angle to shot a sawed-off or the amount of shots and reload speed the gnasher has. on top of this, the gnasher offers more versatile moment. since you can move around freely with the gnasher and not have to switch weapons, you can unexpectedly face a gun fight against anyone mid or close range. whereas, the sawed off, you can only deal with really close fights which when that happens, you have to switch weapons. It’s time consuming and can get you killed by the time you take it out. one last thing is that the gnasher offers better kill streak consistency when you’re in a situation of people constantly coming in and out like in the ring of king of the hill. With the sawed-off, you can’t consistently kill off someone one after another as they come since every shot requires a long reload that as soon as the next guy comes, he kills you. If people hate the sawed-off so much, go back to play freaking gears 2. Before the update, there were a lot of good players out there that had no problem beating the sawed off with real sawed-off counter skill and utilizing the gnasher range. At least I have respect for those players because they earned their kill instead of complaining about it to developers to make it easier for them since they lack skill. Do you people not get that you can shake and bake a sawed-off, smoke stun them or take wide corners to prevent surprise shots!
      for those who think that sawed-off takes no skill, I bet they never had any mastery over it. If you think it’s easy, try to fight someone who’s an expert at countering the sawed-off. when you miss your one shot you have to wall bounce across around until reload returns so you can unleash another shot. if you wanted to kill someone at a further awkward position you’d have to wall bounce around to get the angle you needed and earn your kill. sawed-off users always have to develop techniques to counter gnashers that take wide turns around corners. They have to learn how to counter shake and bake as well (when you bait a sawed-off user to fire off a shot and rush in for the kill while they reload). For every counter there is for the sawed-off, there is one skill more sawed-off users have to develop to counter it.

      the sawed-off before had a greater gib range but just look why. It lacked a lot of other cons that the gnasher had so it should have been left with the same range. epic decides to retard the sawed-off even more now. why?”

    • thai-boxing

      spread the truth!”Gnasher pros: range, reload speed, ammo, ammo capacity, mobile versatility, easier active reload, fast kill streak abilitygnasher cons:  smaller one shot kill radius (gib radius) sawed-off pros: wider one shot kill radius (gib radius) sawed-off cons: ammo (only one shot), mobile versatility, long reload, range, harder active reload, slow kill streak ability, ammo capacity gnasher/sawed-off neutral attribute: about the same one shot kill range. gib range. “This
      isn’t gears of war 2. This is gears of war 3. Giving the double barrel less range is
      gonna cause more people to use the gnasher and next thing you know, it’s
      just another gears 2 gnasher fest. It takes away the beauty of variety
      that gears 3 once provided. I would rather have them either take out the sawed off or leave it alone because the sawed was already fine.
      decreasing the range defeats the purpose of why epic put in in there in
      the first place. Newcomers will just stick with the gnasher so why not
      just get rid of the sawed-off? People get sour because they’ve spent so
      much time using and honing their gnasher skills that when they attempt
      to use their wall bouncing against a sawed-off and end up dying. They’re
      also mad that you don’t have to aim with the sawed-off but the truth is
      that you don’t have to aim with the gnasher either unless it’s a mid
      range gun fight. aiming is for more mid range combat and blind firing is
      for more close range. It’s not good to aim at close range since it
      gives you less peripheral vision to see side to side because of how the
      cursor zooms in when you aim. gnasher fanboys are mad too that sawed-off
      users “camp corners” but I’ve done that plenty of times with the
      gnasher as well to surprise kill. camping the corner is just a
      preference of style when you want to be defending a area or just planing
      a ninja kill. You can’t blame a sawed-off user for sticking around
      corners. the range is just way to freaking small to offer any options to
      do anything else like the gansher can. What else do you expect
      sawed-off users to do? strafe side to side and shoot? You don’t see much
      sawed-off users complaining that the gnasher has too much range coming
      around corners from a wide angle to shot a sawed-off or the amount of
      shots and reload speed the gnasher has. on top of this, the gnasher
      offers more versatile moment. since you can move around freely with the
      gnasher and not have to switch weapons, you can unexpectedly face a gun
      fight against anyone mid or close range. whereas, the sawed off, you can
      only deal with really close fights which when that happens, you have to
      switch weapons. It’s time consuming and can get you killed by the time
      you take it out. one last thing is that the gnasher offers better kill
      streak consistency when you’re in a situation of people constantly
      coming in and out like in the ring of king of the hill. With the
      sawed-off, you can’t consistently kill off someone one after another as
      they come since every shot requires a long reload that as soon as the
      next guy comes, he kills you. If people hate the sawed-off so much, go
      back to play freaking gears 2. Before the update, there were a lot of
      good players out there that had no problem beating the sawed off with
      real sawed-off counter skill and utilizing the gnasher range. At least I
      have respect for those players because they earned their kill instead
      of complaining about it to developers to make it easier for them since
      they lack skill. Do you people not get that you can shake and bake a
      sawed-off, smoke stun them or take wide corners to prevent surprise
      shots!for those who think that sawed-off takes no skill, I bet they
      never had any mastery over it. If you think it’s easy, try to fight
      someone who’s an expert at countering the sawed-off. when you miss your
      one shot you have to wall bounce across around until reload returns so
      you can unleash another shot. if you wanted to kill someone at a further
      awkward position you’d have to wall bounce around to get the angle you
      needed and earn your kill. sawed-off users always have to develop
      techniques to counter gnashers that take wide turns around corners. They
      have to learn how to counter shake and bake as well (when you bait a
      sawed-off user to fire off a shot and rush in for the kill while they
      reload). For every counter there is for the sawed-off, there is one
      skill more sawed-off users have to develop to counter it.the
      sawed-off before had a greater gib range than the gnasher but just look why. It lacked a
      lot of other cons that the gnasher had so it should have been left with
      the same range. epic decides to retard the sawed-off even more now.
      why?”

    • thai-boxing

      spread the truth!”Gnasher pros: range, reload speed, ammo, ammo capacity, mobile versatility, easier active reload, fast kill streak abilitygnasher cons:  smaller one shot kill radius (gib radius) sawed-off pros: wider one shot kill radius (gib radius) sawed-off cons: ammo (only one shot), mobile versatility, long reload, range, harder active reload, slow kill streak ability, ammo capacity gnasher/sawed-off neutral attribute: about the same one shot kill range. gib range. “This
      isn’t gears of war 2. This is gears of war 3. Giving the double barrel less range is
      gonna cause more people to use the gnasher and next thing you know, it’s
      just another gears 2 gnasher fest. It takes away the beauty of variety
      that gears 3 once provided. I would rather have them either take out the sawed off or leave it alone because the sawed was already fine.
      decreasing the range defeats the purpose of why epic put in in there in
      the first place. Newcomers will just stick with the gnasher so why not
      just get rid of the sawed-off? People get sour because they’ve spent so
      much time using and honing their gnasher skills that when they attempt
      to use their wall bouncing against a sawed-off and end up dying. They’re
      also mad that you don’t have to aim with the sawed-off but the truth is
      that you don’t have to aim with the gnasher either unless it’s a mid
      range gun fight. aiming is for more mid range combat and blind firing is
      for more close range. It’s not good to aim at close range since it
      gives you less peripheral vision to see side to side because of how the
      cursor zooms in when you aim. gnasher fanboys are mad too that sawed-off
      users “camp corners” but I’ve done that plenty of times with the
      gnasher as well to surprise kill. camping the corner is just a
      preference of style when you want to be defending a area or just planing
      a ninja kill. You can’t blame a sawed-off user for sticking around
      corners. the range is just way to freaking small to offer any options to
      do anything else like the gansher can. What else do you expect
      sawed-off users to do? strafe side to side and shoot? You don’t see much
      sawed-off users complaining that the gnasher has too much range coming
      around corners from a wide angle to shot a sawed-off or the amount of
      shots and reload speed the gnasher has. on top of this, the gnasher
      offers more versatile moment. since you can move around freely with the
      gnasher and not have to switch weapons, you can unexpectedly face a gun
      fight against anyone mid or close range. whereas, the sawed off, you can
      only deal with really close fights which when that happens, you have to
      switch weapons. It’s time consuming and can get you killed by the time
      you take it out. one last thing is that the gnasher offers better kill
      streak consistency when you’re in a situation of people constantly
      coming in and out like in the ring of king of the hill. With the
      sawed-off, you can’t consistently kill off someone one after another as
      they come since every shot requires a long reload that as soon as the
      next guy comes, he kills you. If people hate the sawed-off so much, go
      back to play freaking gears 2. Before the update, there were a lot of
      good players out there that had no problem beating the sawed off with
      real sawed-off counter skill and utilizing the gnasher range. At least I
      have respect for those players because they earned their kill instead
      of complaining about it to developers to make it easier for them since
      they lack skill. Do you people not get that you can shake and bake a
      sawed-off, smoke stun them or take wide corners to prevent surprise
      shots!for those who think that sawed-off takes no skill, I bet they
      never had any mastery over it. If you think it’s easy, try to fight
      someone who’s an expert at countering the sawed-off. when you miss your
      one shot you have to wall bounce across around until reload returns so
      you can unleash another shot. if you wanted to kill someone at a further
      awkward position you’d have to wall bounce around to get the angle you
      needed and earn your kill. sawed-off users always have to develop
      techniques to counter gnashers that take wide turns around corners. They
      have to learn how to counter shake and bake as well (when you bait a
      sawed-off user to fire off a shot and rush in for the kill while they
      reload). For every counter there is for the sawed-off, there is one
      skill more sawed-off users have to develop to counter it.the
      sawed-off before had a greater gib range than the gnasher but just look why. It lacked a
      lot of other cons that the gnasher had so it should have been left with
      the same range. epic decides to retard the sawed-off even more now.
      why?”

    • xDaNnY GaNnYx

                      I still think that when Gears3 came out it was perfect. It might have needed a few tweaks but not as many that were done. The gnasher and sawed-off were balanced fine because the sawed-off had only melee range like promised and the gnasher couldn’t down you in 2 shots from 20 feet away.

                      Now I am a huge fan of Gears1 and I loved the whole gnasher going nuts thing, but I didn’t spend $65 to play Gears1 I wanted to play Gears3. Now since the gnasher as been made supper strong and the sawed-off has such range most ppl don’t waist their time with and ranged guns and just run straight…THATS GEAR1 CRAP! We all bought Gears3 to play the best game of the trilogy. I think you guys need to back track to before where you turned one of the best games into a mess.

                      Also you need to tweak the range on some guns first off a magnum shouldn’t be able to pop a head like a snipe from across the map with two shots. It would be impossible to to do that. And it is stupid that it comes back even before the person is out of shots because ppl then just camp it out and use that the entire time and in two shots ur almost down even if they dont pop you head. I have more ideas to fix this game but I’m tirede of typing.

                       I have great ideas to fix this game and bring it back to its former glory. Please message me and let one of you longtime fans and players give you ideas as how to fix this game so everyone would enjoy playing.

                                                                          the greatest gears player,
          
                                                                                            xDanny Gannyx

    • Guest

      You need to lower the clip of the lancer its getting crazy now!!! all these dumb changes but you dont change that really?!

    • Rene

      I will not stop complaining about this… It really bothers
      me than without exposing this as a poll, where ppl could at least vote about
      it; you just took away the power of the Sawed-Off. And the reason Epic did this
      really brings me down, just because the so called pro-players started crying,
      c’mmon they want the Gears of War to be all about Gnasher skills, skills?
      c’mmon, you could also choose the SO, and think of strategies to fight it back,
      am I right? The purpose of the SO was in the first place to help those that are
      not “pros”, and you did it right; but now, it is completely the
      opposite, because we somehow got used to it and now it’s nearly impossible to
      achieve a kill because we had master before a certain distance, angle and
      timing, that’s a progress for a noob right? Now, with all that gone away it is
      way more difficult than before because we are still no pros and yet we miss
      with SO more than half the times. So this became a situation similar to where
      rich ppl (pros) got richer and poor (noobs) got completely screwed up. So this
      game will be for a very close circle of ppl who want to continue the Gnasher
      fest forever. Please, I know you can’t just undo the update, but think about
      it, if you tweak the pros of something you have to tweak the cons too. The huge
      reloading time was because the over power.

      Sawed-Off is now a shotgun with 4 bullets, a huge reloading time, ineffective
      if you don’t put the gun in the enemy’s face, that’s useless. The cons of the
      weapon (few rounds, and reloading delay) now don’t make any sense, in this
      case, reload time should be as fast as a pistol to make for it. If you Epic
      intended this update so ppl started to quit using the SO then you did it just
      perfect. The SO is very difficult to use now, not very suitable for noobs right?

      It’s sad to say that GoW3 became a frustrating experience all over again, you
      used to have the formula to incorporate all kinds of ppl, pros, intermediates,
      noobs, ok but Epic only wants the pros in the game, everybody else’s opinion is
      just silence.

      PLEASE LIKE THIS POST IF YOU WANT THE Sawed-OFF BACK!

      • Dean_wolfe

        I agree all the way, the sawd-off is now useless, I have to keep adjusting to the power and range of the sawd-off, the weapon is now useless, keep this up less than 5% of people online are gonna be using it, mine as well get rid of it, but I loved the sawd-off so truth be told change back to the way it was! Let these pros keep using their retros and let us non pros keep our sawdoff, u game makers made a multi million game I’m sure u know more about the weapons, so stick with the script u already laid out for us gamers, if people can’t adjust then I think they should throw their systems away and just build model airplanes as a hobby,

    • TripleM160

      Epic you suck! Way to listen to the bunch of whiners that don’t know how to play the game.  Instead of getting good just complain and Epic will nerf the weapons you don’t like. 

    • sy

      love how people bang on about skill its a fucking game get a skill in real life

    • Airjosh2003

      yo I think the sawed off needed to be tweaked a little so im happy they did. but like people have said. there is a counter to every weapon. if you dont like getting blown away from behind a wall then look behind the wall first. or if you think the gnasher is a sniper rifle then get your gnasher out or rifle to counter it. gears has been my favorite game since day one and they make the game fun for everyone. i say its a great game and i like all the weapon sets  

    • Airjosh2003

      yo I think the sawed off needed to be tweaked a little so im happy they did. but like people have said. there is a counter to every weapon. if you dont like getting blown away from behind a wall then look behind the wall first. or if you think the gnasher is a sniper rifle then get your gnasher out or rifle to counter it. gears has been my favorite game since day one and they make the game fun for everyone. i say its a great game and i like all the weapon sets  

    • Ibabedi

      hammerburst is an amazing weapon, but  you should give it the head shot modifier instead of the lancer

    • Gr_shields

      I just want to say that i hope you guys at epic are happy, you turned the greatest multiplayer experience of gears of war 3 into a kind of gears of war 2.5 when you took away the power of the sawed off. Once again all we have in mp is guys playing with the gnesher like there are no other guns in the game, just like in gears 2, so when i saw the potential of the sawed off so cut the crap out of those guys and their gnashers y realized that we had in our hands a different game, but now after those guys came crying like the little bitches they are, you siad no worries lets just head back to old gnasher and make this gears 2 again. So yes thank you so much for giving these so called pro players a reason to stick to that fuckin sissy shotgun and the worst part is that you didnt level the power if tha gbasher you just reduced the sawed off and let the gbasher be a piece of crap. So whatever thanks for nothing

    • Morpheus7678

      The SO isn’t really that bad. I don’t use it, unless provoked. But most people who do use the SO are extremely predictable. The fact that people are still complaining even though the sawed-off is much weaker now, is pretty sad. Sure, SO users camp corners, and sneak up on you, but so can anyone with a Gnasher/Retro. And to a certain extent, the SO actually does require some skill if one wants to use it properly, meaning that they’ll flank people, or find someway to break through enemy defenses. Both of which are big parts of the MP experience. The SO isn’t something worth trashing your mic/xbox over, so stop raging.

    • ihatecliffyBheis a gay

      epic should remake gears of war 1 for the hardcore fans. so what if gears 1 multiplayer was a mistake…. everyone loved it. now everyone just camps corners the whole game and waits for someone to come by and blindfire their S.O. Then rinse and repeat.. Also retro is a ridiculous weapon. Bring gears of war 1 gameplay back… Not gonna lie gears 3 is a huge step up from Gears 2 omfg…

    • ihatecliffybheis a gay

      btw i love bringing back dead posts!

    • Sesshamaru

      Personally I use the Gnasher Yeah the sawed off is annoying and cheap but hell if, I did not want to see someone using a sawed off i would jus tplay private matches. Basically quit crying and do private matches if quick or ranked is too much for you…… and yeah respond if you want its not like i really care what you think things could be worse it could be like gears 2 and im sure everyone knows how horrible that game ended up being so quit trying to make gears into a another crappy call of duty game we have enough of those personally in my opion i think gears is the best shooter i’ve seen and yeah im not forming scentances and using commas and all that  so ifyou have a comment about my spelling just do yourself a favor and stuff it……I basically put this post up to tell people to quit crying about the sawed off i have had countless deaths by it and still prefer the gnasher if you can’t handle the game go play kung fu panda which is a awesome game by the way

    • Michael Hall34

      Good point “sesshamaru” I’m a gnasher person too but my point is that I’ve learnt to put up with it by seeing the downside,disadvantage(s) of using a sawed off the extremely shit range,the ten year reload(jks).these are the things that alow me to put up with it and give me hope,will to kick there asses(jks) but the will to beat them.I think all the weapons Are ballenced you just need to to have right one at the right time…

    • Chalec1992

      Dear Gnasher fanatics,

      What I honestly don’t understand is this, from the start the sawed off has been an avoidable weapon.  It’s very large, easy to spot in the hands of the wielder, and even makes a distinct sound when you pull it out.  It has one shot, and slow reload time.  All of these factors play against the person holding it, so why is it that this weapon is considered a “noob gun” and hated for the kills that it racks up by blasting; roadie running, retro-charging, wall bouncing, veteran gnasher wielding opponents?  From day one the sawed off was a weapon put in the game not only for its shere aesthetic satisfaction but more importantly a counter measure for people who were harassed and decimated in past gears games by veteran gnasher users.  Now lets level with each other before it looks like I’m taking sides.  I like the gnasher but prefer the sawed off simply because of its accessibility.  I don’t have to be the best at aiming and wall bouncing but I can do enough the scare off approaching foes.  Now that the distance has been nerfed and it seems as though the distance on the gnasher has been increased the usefulness of all other weapons (including assault rifles) has dropped considerably.  The date is 01/22/12 and I can turn on my xbox to play gears 3 and when the match starts 90% of the people playing will switch to their gnasher.  This brings me back to the days of Gears 1 & 2, being forced to use the gnasher and getting blown out of the water because I wasn’t good enough.  Though I was an asset to my team I just could not keep up with most players in the match. In gears 3 I am a level 73 (0 re-up) and I am proud to say that I am an avid sawed off user.  If the veteran gears players are as gnasher skilled as most claim to be why must the game be tweaked to their liking?  With these stat changes we are reentering a time where other weapons usefulness becomes nullified (aside from the boomshot and longshot).  So I say this as a plea to epic, please change back the sawed off to original stats, or at least give it more range.  If done this change will force gnasher veterans to use their assault rifle and force many foes into thinking outside the box (or in this case their gnasher).  Other map oriented weapons will by effect be used more and the game will see a different variety of weapons used.  
                      Sincerely,
      SchizoSamurai (a fan since Gears of War 1 was first shown at E3 in 2005)

    • Pkrill2

      Whats good everyone, Ive been playin gears for awhile now and I’m not going to lie I use the sawed off, alot…. That really doesnt mean Im garbage or a pussy or anything like that.  If you think about it with a sawed off youre risking more of a chance to die then with the gnasher, with the gnasher you can sit back anywhere from LONG RANGE and kill a person, while with the sawed off you have to run into the action take care of buiseness hit that active and blow another one to pieces. I dont run and hide after my first shot, its called wall bouncing while i reload and kill the next ine thats there. THAT, takes skill, while im sitting thre bouncin around while i reload my ONE SHOT yall gnasher users are sittin there shooting MULTIPLE bullets at me, shot after shot. Don’t even get me started on the active with the gnasher, 90% of the time one active ghasher shot from a decent range and youre down. Im not complaining about the gnsher or active at all so dont get the wrong idea, I use both, both at the same time when I can. I have over 10,000 kills with the sawed off and 6,000 with the gnasher, I bought the game in november so to tell me im garabge kinda maked you look dumb. I know how to kill with the gnasher and I know how to rape with the sawed off. Dont believe me? shoot me youre gamer tag and lets get a 1 v 1, a real 1 v 1 not lets swing our guns & jam the reload bs. Im just puttin this out there so the sawed off users can get some respect too. takes balls and skill to get in and out without dieng. dont correct my grammar either, last i checked im not submitting this to any teacher  and this isnt school so stay off my nuts. SAwed off all day.

    • Pkrill2

      Whats good everyone, Ive been playin gears for awhile now and I’m not going to lie I use the sawed off, alot…. That really doesnt mean Im garbage or a pussy or anything like that.  If you think about it with a sawed off youre risking more of a chance to die then with the gnasher, with the gnasher you can sit back anywhere from LONG RANGE and kill a person, while with the sawed off you have to run into the action take care of buiseness hit that active and blow another one to pieces. I dont run and hide after my first shot, its called wall bouncing while i reload and kill the next ine thats there. THAT, takes skill, while im sitting thre bouncin around while i reload my ONE SHOT yall gnasher users are sittin there shooting MULTIPLE bullets at me, shot after shot. Don’t even get me started on the active with the gnasher, 90% of the time one active ghasher shot from a decent range and youre down. Im not complaining about the gnsher or active at all so dont get the wrong idea, I use both, both at the same time when I can. I have over 10,000 kills with the sawed off and 6,000 with the gnasher, I bought the game in november so to tell me im garabge kinda maked you look dumb. I know how to kill with the gnasher and I know how to rape with the sawed off. Dont believe me? shoot me youre gamer tag and lets get a 1 v 1, a real 1 v 1 not lets swing our guns & jam the reload bs. Im just puttin this out there so the sawed off users can get some respect too. takes balls and skill to get in and out without dieng. dont correct my grammar either, last i checked im not submitting this to any teacher  and this isnt school so stay off my nuts. SAwed off all day.

    • Explixitx

      I suggest that Epic should add a kick back to the sawed-off. I’m referring to the same animation that occurs when you get meleed, giving the gnasher an opportunity to attack (My logic being, easy kill, then easy death.) I think this would be a neat idea and restore some balance between the weapons. It’d be nice too if they tweaked the retro as well, reduced accuracy or decreased power, either or (Nothing too drastic of course.) I’ve seen too many times where the retro capitalizes over the lancer at close and mid range. Well, that’s my two cents at least.

    • hello

      I dont know why im complaining i use the sawed off but dont ive actually token three peole at the same time with gnashers and fucked them up without da sawed off beat each of them down while wall bouncing and face it if three guys with 8 shots in their mag cant take down 1 bouncer they shouldnt even be playing gears

    • Shark33

      The game is good but f sawed off.

    • Thidie81

      FUCK THE SAWED OFF!

    • Monstermontenegro

      epic i was level 99 today and i turned off the xbox to go somewhere and when i logged back on i was level 1….is there a way to fix this because i worked hard on this

    • Frankie Gee

      You tell me what’s so balanced about a shotgun being the most consistent weapon since gears 1, this game is favored for a shotgun. Why was wall bouncing created? For gnasher users. Why was the sawn off nerfed? For gnasher users, why do people feel like every assault rifle is overpowered? For gnasher users. A preactived sawn off means nothing. But a preactived gnasher is instant down medium range and gib close. If epic want to keep screwing up just on sega did sonic, go ahead and make the gnasher primary and give it an extended mag, with a sniper scope, with a equipped grenade launcher, while this vertern continues to play halobattlefield, because I’m sick of seeing a good game gone to waste because half the community is the ages 13-16